Obama could win my vote...
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Bullshit.....Bush cut the rates for EVERY taxpayer in the country.......it not the dollar amounts paid, its the RATES paid.....
10% reduction for someone paying 1000 dollars is obviously not the same dollar amount as a 10% reduction for those paying 100,000 dollars in taxes....
but its STILL the same 10%
The top 10% of taxpayers are still paying MORE than a fair share of the taxes......
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The Almighty
Yeah, it sounds like you are getting ready for another one of your 'Reagan is evil' tirades. It is what Reagan did. It is the correct policy in my opinion. You even pointed out WHY it is also a politically astute move. It appeals to most groups of people in one way or another. But I know, since I mentioned a man you hate so much, you will now attempt to derail this thread with more of your nonsense and straw men.
So tell us genius, since the very same thing can be said on the corporate side, why is it that so many on the left keep chanting 'to raise corporations taxes'?
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The Almighty
If that were truly the case, then why is it that the Dems fight so hard to keep all those Bush tax cuts for those under $250k??? Oh yeah, because that was about 2/3 of the total dollars of the Bush tax cuts.
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Eliminating the deductions is equivalent to SUBSTANTIALLY increasing the tax burden on higher income earners. Now, if our economy were booming, as it was under Reagan, Bush, and Clinton, and we still had the debt and spending problems, maybe we could look at ways to reduce the number of deductions... but that isn't the reality we find ourselves in. At this time, it would be economic stupidity to raise the tax burden on wealth producers, because we depend on these people to bring the economy back to life.
This is one of those typical emotive issues the left has infiltrated into the argument, and moderate nitwits like SF seem to be John McCain Oblivious to. Yeah... let's get rid of all them 'deductions and loopholes' the 'rich' are using to screw the little guy! That's the ticket! It actually accepts the notion that wealth earners don't deserve what they make, aren't paying their 'fair share' and should have their gains confiscated by the government and redistributed to the needy. Fuckin' SOCIALIST!
Lighten up, Francis.
It's a little easier on the corporate side, but not much. As for "so many on the left," not sure who they are so maybe you should ask them. In my view, cutting the rate and eliminating loopholes is the way to go. The high statutory rate (and it is high, comparatively speaking) is a convenient talking point for the right even though no one pays it.
SF - How many times have we had this discussion? Eleventy hundred? No thanks.
If you have any question about conservative tax policy just go take a look at the various tax policy proposals of the Republican candidates, what they do and who benefits most from them.
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The Almighty
1/3 of your argument is 1/3 valid.
Dixie - In Memoriam
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No, actually 100% of my argument is 100% valid, which is why you have no reply, except to act 14.
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The Almighty
Blah blah blah.... you didn't answer because you KNOW the truth. The bulk of the dollars went to the lower and middle classes. Which is why dems love to harp on the per capita numbers. They know that per capita they can portray the cuts as being 'just for the rich'
It is truly astounding how you can look to pick fights on every fucking thread. I give Obama a thumbs up and your moronic little mind tells you to pick a fight. Then you run away when the other party comes back swinging. Fucking idiot.
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The Almighty
Ditzie your 'argument' was filled with errors.
First and foremost is the fact that I am not (nor is the article) talking about just the elimination of loopholes/deducations/subsidies. It is talking about simplification of the tax code. That is and should be a priority for ALL conservatives. But you see that Obama proposed it so you feel the need to run around stomping your feet and crying socialist.
This isn't about anyone paying a 'fair share'. This is about taking a 70k page tax code and simplifying it. The simpler you make it, the harder it is to commit fraud.
Like I said, we've had this conversation many times.
Is it really truly astounding? And near as I can tell, I ain't really running from anything. We know full well where we stand on the Bush tax cuts and the arguments that each of us will make. Why bother?
I did notice, however, that you are running pretty far from the Republican candidates' tax policy proposals? Why is that? Maybe this:
Like I said, cut them, mostly at the top end.
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Obama proposed what? Obama gave a fucking speech and reeled off a bunch of liberal platitudes, and you nuzzled up to the teat for a suckle! Obama hasn't ever presented a plan for anything in his life, and he hasn't presented anything here. He just needs for you to accept the idea that we should eliminate 'deductions and loopholes' because of their 'unfairness' to the 99%.
I agree, our tax code is ridiculous, but you don't fix that by allowing socialists to perform social justice with it! Idiot!
Conservative tax policy WILL change with the health of the economy and will usually effect every taxpayer in substantially the same way....
Liberal tax policy is used to advance or not advance some social agenda and will usually only effect a certain, special segment of taxpayers......
Conservative policy is driven by the economy (and the Constitution, equal treatment)
Liberal policy is driven by social issues and their view of what is fair and/or moral for particular groups of people
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SuperTard, since you don't seem to have a clue, let me reveal for you what the left means when they use the phrase 'deductions and loopholes' blah blah blah.... They mean your mortgage interest deduction and 401k. They can't come out and say that, because normal people would reject it, but that's what it means.
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Die you gravey sucking Pig!
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Dixie channeling his inner Klansman!
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Sweet Jane
I agree with you. I think this would help bring business back to the US, particularly manufacturing whose jobs tends to have a high spin off affect on the economy.
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Sweet Jane
I think it's brilliant politically. I agree with the observation that in a campaign year it won't happen. Politically speaking he has one upped Romney very cleverly as Romney was going to come out with his own tax plan.
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Sweet Jane
Uhhh actually Reagan raised the corporate tax rate back in 85/86(not sure which year) to it's current 35%.