Republicans want to take away your access to Birth Control!

General Buck Turgidson said:
Group insurance is one thing that helps keep health insurance cost down. Individual insurance for comparable plans is much more expensive, unless you're young and healthy. The only reason older and sicker people can obtain health insurance is through participation in group plans. Getting rid of them is incredibly stupid.
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Unless we reform our systems to have universal coverage, like all sane industrialized nations have done, then we wouldn't need group plans at all. :)
 
General Buck Turgidson said:
Group insurance is one thing that helps keep health insurance cost down. Individual insurance for comparable plans is much more expensive, unless you're young and healthy. The only reason older and sicker people can obtain health insurance is through participation in group plans. Getting rid of them is incredibly stupid.
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LOL... no, it most certainly is not. It is typically 2-3 times more expensive to go into a group plan. Group plans ESCALATE costs because they are cookie cutter plans. They force everyone in the plan to have the same things covered. No what is incredibly stupid is pretending that it is cheaper. It is for the very sick and elderly, but that is because THEIR costs are pushed onto everyone else.
 
Superfreak said:
See those little white collars? Three PRIESTS and a Rabbi. Ya wanna bet they are there to give the Churches viewpoint?
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So black guys don't count? That's fucked up, SF.

And, yes, they are there to give the church's viewpoint, but the hearing is about access to contraceptives and birth control and shouldn't be limited to what a bunch of clerics think of the issue. You can keep your head up your ass and pretend that the optics of the whole aren't horrible if you wish.
 
Superfreak said:
LOL... no, it most certainly is not. It is typically 2-3 times more expensive to go into a group plan. Group plans ESCALATE costs because they are cookie cutter plans. They force everyone in the plan to have the same things covered. No what is incredibly stupid is pretending that it is cheaper. It is for the very sick and elderly, but that is because THEIR costs are pushed onto everyone else.
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Dude, what do you think will happen when you get old or sick? You should also check your numbers. The individual rate for those who purchase their own insurance is on average around $3,600/year where as those on a group plan pay around $1,600/year. That is purchasing your own insurance cost nearly 2.5 times as much as a group plan.

http://www.kff.org/kaiserpolls/upload/8077-R.pdf
 
Jarod said:
How can anyone vote for Republicans who want to prevent you from having access to Birth Control. They want to take away women's righ to control her future.
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How can anyone make such a stupid accusation and actually get 45 posts on what is an obvious lie.....??
 
1) I know Ive made a good point and hit home when Supercandy starts calling me RETARDED.

2) Noone wants to address the point of this thread, which is that the type of overeaching arguments used in presidental politics are damaging to the national discourse.....
 
bravo said:

How can anyone make such a stupid accusation and actually get 45 posts on what is an obvious lie.....??
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The same way the Republicans got so much out of claiming that Al Gore voted against funding the troops.
 
General Buck Turgidson said:
So, let's cut to the heart of it, do you guys support the Blunt Amendment?
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For readers who want to examine the text of Blunt's proposed amendment, here are two key sections:
"Nothing in this title (or any amendment made by this title) shall be construed to require an individual or institutional health care provider, or authorize a health plan to require a provider, to provide, participate in, or refer for a specific item or service contrary to the provider's religious beliefs or moral convictions. Notwithstanding any other provision of this title, a health plan shall not be considered to have failed to provide timely or other access to items or services under this title (or any amendment made by this title) or to fulfill any other requirement under this title because it has respected the rights of conscience of such a provider."
Another part of the amendment makes clear that "no exchange or other official or entity acting in a governmental capacity in the course of implementing this title ... shall discriminate against a health plan, plan sponsor, health care provider, or other person because of such plan's, sponsor's, provider's, or person's unwillingness to provide coverage of, participate in, or refer for, specific items or services."


The Blunt Amendment does nothing but PROTECT OUR FREEDOM TO CHOOSE according to our individual moral code and does not demand anyone give up contraception rights....
 
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bravo said:
For readers who want to examine the text of Blunt's proposed amendment, here are two key sections:
"Nothing in this title (or any amendment made by this title) shall be construed to require an individual or institutional health care provider, or authorize a health plan to require a provider, to provide, participate in, or refer for a specific item or service contrary to the provider's religious beliefs or moral convictions. Notwithstanding any other provision of this title, a health plan shall not be considered to have failed to provide timely or other access to items or services under this title (or any amendment made by this title) or to fulfill any other requirement under this title because it has respected the rights of conscience of such a provider."
Another part of the amendment makes clear that "no exchange or other official or entity acting in a governmental capacity in the course of implementing this title ... shall discriminate against a health plan, plan sponsor, health care provider, or other person because of such plan's, sponsor's, provider's, or person's unwillingness to provide coverage of, participate in, or refer for, specific items or services."


The Blunt Amendment does nothing but PROTECT OUR FREEDOM TO CHOOSE according to our individual moral code
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Our freedom to choose, which of our employees should take it in the ass harder. "I don't believe in STD's So no providing for that, or Cancer, I'm pretty sure the government made that one up, and while we're at it I think the power of laughter is a great healer so that's the only health plan I'm going to cover."
I thought this plan was supposed to help people at enormous expense, not just become total chaos that costs a huge amount.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Dude, what do you think will happen when you get old or sick? You should also check your numbers. The individual rate for those who purchase their own insurance is on average around $3,600/year where as those on a group plan pay around $1,600/year. That is purchasing your own insurance cost nearly 2.5 times as much as a group plan.

http://www.kff.org/kaiserpolls/upload/8077-R.pdf
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Hmmm... do tell us Mott... on which page are you seeing the premium for group plan being $1600/yr?
 
Why are conservatives always looking for special treatment for Religous Corporations?
 
General Buck Turgidson said:
So black guys don't count? That's fucked up, SF.
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More comedy genius from the left for you Oncelor.

And, yes, they are there to give the church's viewpoint, but the hearing is about access to contraceptives and birth control and shouldn't be limited to what a bunch of clerics think of the issue.
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Which is kind of the point. They are forcing Religious based groups to do this... yeah... why the fuck would they get feedback from those groups. Can't imagine why.

You also are pretending that it is 'limited' to those clerics. Which is also a crock of shit... not surprising coming from you.


You can keep your head up your ass and pretend that the optics of the whole aren't horrible if you wish.
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Seriously, what are you rambling on about?
 
This is so fabulous. I could get mad and go into (factual) detail about why birth control is a women's health issue and is most certainly not up for religious view, I could also point out that the deeply religious never seem to be bothered by insurance companies covering viagra for single men, no, it's always about the lady bits. But, since this clown show is going to bring the Republican party down, I will just laugh. And speaking of douches, this is very appropriate, because as my friend said to me when I put this story on my facebook "oh damn if only I had known I would not have bothered shooting all that diet coke up there"

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2...een-their-knees-for-contraception.php?ref=fpa

Get out the Bayer ladies and keep those legs closed - memo from a long row of dour men who have silenced women in Congress and who are going to lose seats for it. Thanks guys! You shouldn't have but I'm really, really glad you did!
 
Darla said:
This is so fabulous. I could get mad and go into (factual) detail about why birth control is a women's health issue and is most certainly not up for religious view
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1) Birth Control is a health issue. While yes, that does include women, it also includes men
2) Birth Control is ALSO a religious view. Just because you and I don't agree with their views doesn't change this FACT.

I could also point out that the deeply religious never seem to be bothered by insurance companies covering viagra for single men
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Can you link us up to where religious based groups were FORCED to cover viagra?
 
Disillusioned said:
Our freedom to choose, which of our employees should take it in the ass harder. "I don't believe in STD's So no providing for that, or Cancer, I'm pretty sure the government made that one up, and while we're at it I think the power of laughter is a great healer so that's the only health plan I'm going to cover."
I thought this plan was supposed to help people at enormous expense, not just become total chaos that costs a huge amount.
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IF you don't like the coverage of a certain insurance company, do fuckin' buy it.....its a free country, pinhead......
 
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