GOP race: seems no one is the clear winner yet

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just read santorum is expected to pick up two states. still fairly early, obama and hillary were neck and neck at this point, but seems the voters are all over the place and aren't strongly behind any candidate.

unless the GOP comes together, this is obama's to lose. imo.
 
Yurt said:
just read santorum is expected to pick up two states. still fairly early, obama and hillary were neck and neck at this point, but seems the voters are all over the place and aren't strongly behind any candidate.

unless the GOP comes together, this is obama's to lose. imo.
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It's not easy getting a consensus among a bunch of misfits.
 
Yurt said:
just read santorum is expected to pick up two states. still fairly early, obama and hillary were neck and neck at this point, but seems the voters are all over the place and aren't strongly behind any candidate.

unless the GOP comes together, this is obama's to lose. imo.
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Ehhh a lot of things can happen between now and November. Thanks to citizen united this is probably going to be the most obnoxious Presidential campaign season in American history with a staggering amount of money being utterly wasted by being spent on vast amounts of air time for meaningless propaganda in an attempt to sway voters. Just think of the profits that could be realized and the numbers of people put to work if that money was invested in something productive? It depresses the hell out of me.
 
You can always be watching boring college football when the next election rolls around to take your mind off things, Mott. :pke:
 
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Granule said:
And it's why your tyrannical savior will probably get 4 more years in the Oval Office.
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If tyranny involves working on a way to prevent the 45,000 unnecessary yearly deaths of those who do not have medical insurance then I say, "Bring on the tyranny!"
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Ehhh a lot of things can happen between now and November. Thanks to citizen united this is probably going to be the most obnoxious Presidential campaign season in American history with a staggering amount of money being utterly wasted by being spent on vast amounts of air time for meaningless propaganda in an attempt to sway voters. Just think of the profits that could be realized and the numbers of people put to work if that money was invested in something productive? It depresses the hell out of me.
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You mean something along the lines of what Obama spent in 2008?
 
Granule said:
Let's start with the following link. Just give it a chance. A fellow liberal of yours, Rachel Maddow, even chimes in:

http://equityjungle.com/2012/01/02/...-list-of-senatorial-cowards-backing-the-bill/

Granted, this isn't something that he has done, but it is something he is trying to do, which is still very telling. We'll get to more, after your response to this.
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"My administration will not authorize the indefinite military detention without trial of American citizens," Obama said in the signing statement. "Indeed, I believe that doing so would break with our most important traditions and values as a nation."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ense-bill-despite-reservations/#ixzz1mIROdf6A

You can claim it's Obama trying to do this, but 86 Senators voted FOR this bill, and when he signed it, he issued the statement I quoted above.
 
apple0154 said:
If tyranny involves working on a way to prevent the 45,000 unnecessary yearly deaths of those who do not have medical insurance then I say, "Bring on the tyranny!"
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You are a communist, aren't ya? You're also a generalist.

OK, Mr. Marx, let's break down the 45k: Of the supposed 45,000 deaths, how many could have chosen medical coverage, but did not? Also, show me the demographics break down of that 45k, and list the reasons why each victim did not have medical insurance.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
[You can claim it's Obama trying to do this, but 86 Senators voted FOR this bill, and when he signed it, he issued the statement I quoted above.
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He still signed the damn bill, didn't he? He signed it despite his "reservations".

Uh-huh....
 
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"My administration will not authorize the indefinite military detention without trial of American citizens," Obama said in the signing statement. "Indeed, I believe that doing so would break with our most important traditions and values as a nation."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ense-bill-despite-reservations/#ixzz1mIROdf6A

You can claim it's Obama trying to do this, but 86 Senators voted FOR this bill, and when he signed it, he issued the statement I quoted above.
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He also said that he would halve the deficit by this year, that the unemployment rate would never be over 8%, that he would create a foreclosure protection fund for homeowners, that he would allow imported prescription drug sales...

Yeah, we should believe it because he said it. The point is, under his watch the power of the Executive has increased massively wherein he now has the power to incarcerate citizens his own branch labels as "aiding terrorists"... That he promises not to use it is a promise of a politician.

Question: Do you really want somebody like LBJ or Nixon having this power? How about Roosevelt, under his watch we took citizens and forced them to live in camps based on ethnicity... Do you think he might abuse this kind of power? Do you really believe that people like that can never be elected?
 
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