Appeals Court: Prop 8 Unconstitutional

So you guys are now going to just start repeating the same lie, continue to paint me as a racist, and hurl insults at people who disagree with you, while totally ignoring their argument? Sounds like a sure plan for success... good luck changing minds!
 
if you're that worried about gay marriage, harming hetero marriage.................step out of the closet

No one is worried about that. It's the kind of argument a 14-year-old punk comes up with, because they can't find any valid point.

There is no such thing as "hetero" marriage... are you talking about traditional marriage? That's called traditional marriage, and it's available to heterosexuals as well as homosexuals. Why don't you grow the fuck up, stop creating things that don't exist, stop creating rights that haven't been violated, and stop sounding like you are a virgin mad at the world because your adolescent hormones are raging?
 
This doesn't matter because we would have already established meanings of words can change and be redefined.. what does 'consent' mean? What does 'child' mean? How do you know the goat can't consent, and you are just incapable of understanding it? Age barriers can come down, as pedos push for their 'rights to marry the one they love' under the equal protection of the law!



Call me crazy, but doesn't procreation involve sex? Sorry, just had to point that out. In any event, I don't recall saying polygamy was a sexual lifestyle choice, it is an alternative lifestyle choice, which by your definition, would include sex with multiple wives. It is also very heavily tied to religious beliefs, so there is also that aspect. Once you have altered the status quot, and re-defined traditional marriage to include a sexual lifestyle or alternative preferences of lifestyle, you have paved the way for groups like polygamists, who want to legalize and legitimize their behavior or lifestyle. It's a Pandora's Box, and you simply want to shrug that off and pretend it wouldn't be the case, but you've continued to fail to explain why I am not right.

I won't comment on your intelligence level, but it's obviously not on par with my own in this argument.

You are delusional,
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_the_United_States

"The movement to obtain marriage rights and benefits for same-sex couples in the United States began in the early 1970s.[8] The issue became more prominent in U.S. politics once Congress passed the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996. However, in the opening decade of the 21st century, public support for its legalization grew considerably.[9] Contemporary polls show that a majority of Americans support same sex marriage."

Why use facts in a debate with Dixie?
 
The movement to obtain marriage rights and benefits for same-sex couples in the United States began in the early 1970s.[8] The issue became more prominent in U.S. politics once Congress passed the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996. However, in the opening decade of the 21st century, public support for its legalization grew considerably.[9] Contemporary polls show that a majority of Americans support same sex marriage.

Polls can show virtually anything, based on the wording of the question. The real measure of how many Americans support gay marriage, is at the ballot box, where Americans cast votes. In state after state, gay marriage initiatives have failed. If the "average" American likely supports gay marriage, you'd think a place like California would be hip to it, but when a judge ruled gay marriage into existence there, the people rose up and passed a ban with Prop 8. Now I suspect, if this were Alabama, we'd all be hearing about how it's because they are all a bunch of backwood hicks and rednecks, behind the times.... but this happened in California. The most socially liberal state.
 
How interesting. Little known facts about heterosexuality and marriage:



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/hanne-blank/10-surprising-facts-about-heterosexuality_b_1269706.html


1) May 6, 1868

The words "heterosexual" and "homosexual" were coined on this day in a letter written by Austro-Hungarian journalist Karl-Maria Kertbeny to the German legal eagle and proto-gay rights crusader Karl Ulrichs.

Technically speaking, before that fateful Wednesday, it was impossible for anyone in the world to be either a heterosexual or a homosexual, because the words didn't exist yet.



2) Married American women didn't gain full legal control over their own financial assets until after this landmark U.S. Supreme Court case in 1981. In overturning "head and master" laws that gave husbands a legal upper hand over financial decision making within marriages, this decision finally made it illegal for a husband like Louisianan Joan Feenstra's, awaiting trial for sexually molesting his daughter, to decide to do something classy like mortgage the house for which his wife had paid in order to pay his legal bills. (And no, that date's not a typo: 1981.)

So who really benefited from the marriage contract, prior to 1981? More misogyny and male dominance.


3) The ideal that men and women should have mutually orgasmic sex developed during the same time period as the idea of "heterosexuality" did, in the late 1800s and early 1900s. This novel notion helped establish the new notion of distinctively "heterosexual" desire and pleasure as scientific and medically proper.

By 1922 , Dr. Walter Robie would write that married coitus had to be "mutually pleasurable and simultaneously climactic... if it is to be scientifically correct."

More misogyny and male dominance.

4) Science Has Never Defined 'Heterosexual'

Never mind the question of whether there's such a thing as distinctively "gay genes" or "gay brains"; we don't even know if there's such a thing as straight ones. Physical and biomedical science have yet to define or even confirm the empirical existence of heterosexuality... no one's ever even tried.

This means that scientific research being conducted on the question of what makes people gay is being done without a properly characterized control to compare with. That's bad science.


Oops. So there goes all that talk about heterosexuality being "normal" and "proper" right out the window. That's going to leave scar on so many 'round here.

5) Folks Lie A Lot about Sex:
If you think you're better off trusting the statistics in sex surveys than what your friends say about their sex lives for an idea of what "normal heterosexuality" looks like, think again.

Research done on the accuracy of self-reporting in sexuality surveys, including a 2009 study in the Journal of Sex Research, demonstrates that in sex research as in life, what people claim about their sex lives often doesn't match up to reality. A better bet is to consider sex research stats as a representation of what's possible, not what's typical.

Please. Like we didn't already know. LOL.


6)Some late 19th-century authorities and physicians believed very sincerely that any woman who was interested in having a man perform oral sex on her was a sadist, and any man who complied was dangerously passive and submissive. Performing oral sex on women, they believed, was a "gateway drug" that led inevitably to ever more depraved acts of submission, and could possibly drag men all the way down to what they saw as the bottom of the heap, making them into the kind of men who provided oral sex to other men.

How do you like that? Cunnilingus leads to Male to male Fellatio. Who knew? LOLOLOL. Don't stop now. LOL.


7) For most of Western history, it was considered shameful to feel or display too much romantic emotion toward a spouse. Treating one's wife "as one would a mistress" was excessive and unseemly; as the Lady's Magazine lectured its English readership in 1774, "the intent of matrimony is not for man and his wife to be always taken up with each other, but jointly to discharge the duties of civil society, to govern their families with prudence, and educate their children with discretion." Love, shmove, marriage was a job -- not an adventure.


Wow. Even if a couple didn't have children...the intent of marriage was to act, "as if". How "Stone Age". Some of those arcane ideas hold true today.

8) "Heterosexual"? Thank a Gay Rights Activist:
"Heterosexual" is not, and never was, a scientific term. Nor is "homosexual." Both were coined in the context of what we'd now call gay rights activism, during a campaign of pamphleteering and letter-writing in opposition to a mid-19th-century German sodomy law.
The idea behind the words "heterosexual" and "homosexual" was to demonstrate through language that these were merely two ways in which human beings could be sexual, distinct and equal, with the implication that sodomy laws should apply equally to everyone... or else to no one at all.



Ooops. Gotta rethink all that rhetoric concerning heterosexual vs. gay. It's not even scientific terminology. Hello, somebody? LOL.


Too funny.
 
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