I know certain things are a fact of life.
Well then why do you keep trying to tell us how to fix these things, when you know they can't be fixed? Why do you keep trying to solve a problem that isn't a 'problem' and can't be 'solved', because it is a fact of life?
I also know people get jobs in companies through people they know.
Some people do, again, it's a fact of life. If we raise tax on wealthy people and give poor people more, it's not going to change this fact of life one bit. People will still get jobs through people they know. People will still do favors for people they know. Can you not comprehend how this is a non-starter? We can't have an intelligent debate based on a non-starter, it doesn't work.
Take two unmotivated people. One knows someone who works in a factory. They get a job. The other person is on welfare. The welfare recipient is no worse than the person who got the job. If someone offered the welfare individual a job they would most likely accept it. That's life. So, what can be done?
What? Wait a sec... this makes no sense whatsoever, even considering who it's coming from! Take two unmotivated people... they are BOTH on welfare, because they lack the motivation to get a job! If you want to say that one is motivated enough to go get a job, and the other remains on welfare, maybe I can grasp what you are saying here, but they certainly aren't equally unmotivated in your example. We've already determined the "who ya know" problem is a fact of life we can't do anything about, we have to live with facts of life. Nothing can be done.
Well, government training programs can be offered. The government, working with companies, can get leads. The person can get counselling. The point being HELP the individual.
If the person is not motivated, it doesn't matter. Training for WHAT? To do WHAT? For WHO? If the point is to help unmotivated people, the solution is simple, forget about government programs, that just adds another layer of government bureaucracy we don't need, and have no use for anyway, and it's not going to change facts of life. Before the unmotivated can be truly helped, they have to be
motivated... it's a Catch 22. Therefore, we need to just write checks and pay for whatever the unmotivated person needs, wants or desires, for the rest of their life, and not require them to do anything in return. Problem solved!
I said it was simple, not doable. Of course, you can see where there might be a problem here, as word got out that unmotivated people were being given everything they need want and desire and don't have to do anything in return, more and more people would become unmotivated to work hard, or even work at all. Eventually, you would get to the point where no one wanted to work, and everyone wanted to stay home and collect checks, but there is no one to pay the checks or write the checks.... are you getting any of this? I feel like I am talking to a two-year old sometimes.
Telling someone they're lazy. Trying to find ways to cut their support. Refusing to let people attend classes when collecting unemployment insurance. Those things are not going to do any good.
Oh, but I think this might be where you are wrong. Some people respond to personal insults, it motivates them to action! You might call someone "LAZY" and it might offend them to the point of self-reflection, and they may realize they are indeed being lazy, and this might be the kick in the ass they needed to get motivated to make a change? You don't know, maybe that was all it took for them, a harsh word?
I know when I was a kid, often times I would have no money in my pocket, and I knew the way to get money was to do my chores and earn my allowance, so I was motivated to take action. If my father had just wanted to "help" me, like you want to "help" the poor and unmotivated, he could have just peeled off a $20 bill and given it to me, for the sake of benevolence, since I was poor... but he didn't do that. He also didn't just create make-work for me to do, which wasn't needed. If I wanted something more than my allowance allowed for, I had to be patient and save my money over time, or do other things for people I knew, or who knew me...etc. and this taught me certain values I have carried with me all my life.
After generations of such stupidity I think it's South Carolina that is finally allowing people to attend school while on UI. What took so long?
I don't know, maybe people thought it was best to do otherwise? Maybe times changed, and now more and more people are going back to school while working a full-time job? I have no way of telling you why South Carolina did something, or why it took so long, or even if it's the best idea or not, I don't know that it is.
What is taking so long to properly help people in other ways?
Well because we are having a distinctly difficult time at the moment, determining what is and isn't "proper" in this regard. You see, we both share different political philosophies, and you don't seem to understand they conflict with each other, and we can't resolve these differences in a civil manner anymore. You stubbornly refuse to accept the ideas of anyone else, you believe you are right and the sooner everyone else realizes it, the better off we'll all be. I diametrically disagree with you, on a host of things, from what motivates the unmotivated, to how we actually institute "HELP" for people who are in need. My idea of what "HELPS" people is not the same as yours, we disagree on what is helping and what is hurting, and you aren't interested in having an intelligent discussion about it, your mind is made up. This is why it's taking so long.
If they're unmotivated send them to motivation classes.
So you think we should do this forcibly, like maybe with the National Guard?
If they have an illness send them to a hospital for an evaluation.
What if they suffer from fear of hospitals and don't want to go? ...National Guard too?
If they're depressed give them the proper medicine.
Or let them read this thread!
Are we really interested in helping or just bitching about them?
Looks like 'just bitching about them' to me. You don't seem interested in having the debate over what constitutes "helping" and how we can motivate the unmotivated. You are determined to stick to your guns come hell or high water, and refuse to see any other point being made, while continuing to harp, moan, groan, writhe, and spew socialist Marxist rhetoric for days and weeks on end. You seem pretty content with that.
Healthy, happy people desire a decent life. While everyone's idea of "decent" may be different no one says, "I want to be poor. I want to go hungry." Industrialized nations have the resources to help. It's just common sense to help them and get them working and contributing to society but we live in a society where competition is stressed to the point where the goal is to beat everyone and help no one. The thinking is, "Why help the competition?"
Change is long overdue.
On that note it's time for my siesta. I've been on the road for 4 hours running errands and this old body needs time to rejuvenate.
Really? Damn... and here I thought poor hungry people were that way because they wanted to be... silly me, glad you straightened me out on that one, Apple!
Yes, it is just common sense that we have to motivate the poor people to become more successful. This brings us back to how we motivate the unmotivated. Industrialized nations do have the resources to help, and ours is no exception, we've shelled out over $70 trillion in entitlements through the past 80 years, and are currently on the hook for $100 trillion more in the future, as it stands. So I don't think you can actually argue that we aren't doing our part to help those in need, Apple. Sorry, it just doesn't wash.
As for your views on society:
...where competition is stressed to the point where the goal is to beat everyone and help no one... This is a somewhat frightening subject to delve into with you, because I fear what you might have in mind to alleviate this "problem." Do you not comprehend that capitalism is freedom? That competition drives innovation? These are very important aspects to a free society, and if you start tinkering with them, the entire experiment can collapse. But again, you are coming up with things that are merely "facts of life" and there isn't really a "solution" to them, because they aren't problems.
Your sentiments are revealing here...
the goal is to beat everyone else and help no one? Really? Who's goal is that? Bill Gates made the news recently with a BILLION dollar donation to charity... clearly, here is a man who has "beaten everyone else" in his field, yet he seems fairly willing to help others. You see, the thing is, you don't yet comprehend what "HELP" means, or how to "HELP" others, you are still stuck in some Utopian dream world, where things aren't realistic, and we can't solve the 'problems' you encounter, unless we steal rich people's fortunes and turn society into a Marxist failure. You still can't see where your "solutions" are not solutions, they are enabling the unmotivated to remain unmotivated, and aren't "HELPING" anything. 80 years, $70 trillion... STILL we have a problem? Get real!
YOU are the problem!
