Why is it?

Disillusioned

Disillusioned

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Question that I've been bouncing around for some time and never gotten an answer to.
Why is it that when other countries hate america for having money, that's just greed and them being lazy, but when people hate the rich for having money, that's totally ok?

I thought it was ok that all those third world countries hated us because they were just envious. Is America the 1%?
 
Disillusioned said:
Question that I've been bouncing around for some time and never gotten an answer to.
Why is it that when other countries hate america for having money, that's just greed and them being lazy, but when people hate the rich for having money, that's totally ok?

I thought it was ok that all those third world countries hated us because they were just envious. Is America the 1%?
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The "hate" is not because someone is rich. The anger is due to others suffering, doing without. If a person has sufficient food to eat they usually don't care what others are eating. The average person driving home from work is not cursing when driving through a wealthy part of town but a person on a bus passing through the same part of town on their way home from a part time, minimum wage paying job knowing they can't afford this month's rent will probably feel differently.

It's not greed or laziness or jealously or hate. Their anger is not at someone having money. Their anger is at the suffering they have to endure when there is sufficient for everyone.
 
apple0154 said:
The "hate" is not because someone is rich. The anger is due to others suffering, doing without. If a person has sufficient food to eat they usually don't care what others are eating. The average person driving home from work is not cursing when driving through a wealthy part of town but a person on a bus passing through the same part of town on their way home from a part time, minimum wage paying job knowing they can't afford this month's rent will probably feel differently.

It's not greed or laziness or jealously or hate. Their anger is not at someone having money. Their anger is at the suffering they have to endure when there is sufficient for everyone.
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there is sufficient for everyone.?/////

Yes Assle.....there is sufficient for everyone.....all one needs to do is get it....They need to earn it....... and work for it, etc.......

Just don't expect IT to be given to you......given to you by someone that force ably TAKES it from someone else that has already EARNED IT, WORKED FOR IT for themselves......
You don't seem to quite understand that simple concept....

If you wait for the banana to fall from the tree, you might just starve waiting, but if you climb up and get it, its yours.....unless someone like you takes it away to give to somebody else.....
Am I getting through to you ?......
 
apple0154 said:
The "hate" is not because someone is rich. The anger is due to others suffering, doing without. If a person has sufficient food to eat they usually don't care what others are eating. The average person driving home from work is not cursing when driving through a wealthy part of town but a person on a bus passing through the same part of town on their way home from a part time, minimum wage paying job knowing they can't afford this month's rent will probably feel differently.

It's not greed or laziness or jealously or hate. Their anger is not at someone having money. Their anger is at the suffering they have to endure when there is sufficient for everyone.
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Why would they feel differently? This makes no sense to me. Wealth envy is wealth envy, whether you are millionaire envious of a billionaire or a homeless person envious of someone living in government housing. There are no parameters to this, you either have the mindset that some people have more than they deserve or you believe people make their own way and deserve the fruits of their labor.

We have equal access to education in this country, it's been the law of the land for decades. We have laws which punish parents if they don't send their kids to school, it's mandatory that kids up to age 16 remain in school. There is no disadvantage when it comes to educational opportunity, we all have the same access to the same resources. People who are wealthy, for the most part, weren't just handed their fortunes... that is sometimes the case, but for the most part, it's not. For the most part, wealthy people started out just like you and I, and the poor person on the bus, and they worked hard to achieve and accomplish their goals, they had the ambition and drive to succeed, and they didn't turn themselves into 'victims' who were incapable of greatness, they kept believing in themselves and the dream, and realized it.

Now you want to take these people and say, they don't deserve to keep what they worked so hard to attain, because here are these less motivated people who are still riding the bus, and it's not fair they don't have all the wealth of the person who was driven to success. You want to pretend the cards were somehow stacked against them, they didn't have the same luck in life, as if wealth is acquired by sheer luck and fortune.

Instead of your poor person riding the bus through the rich neighborhood seething with bitterness and feeling sorry for themselves, perhaps they should be pondering what those wealthy people did to get to where they are? Was it more emphasis on school and education? Did they avoid getting married and having kids? Did they work part time jobs at night for a while? How did they get to where they are? But you see... that requires "self-evaluation" and coming to terms with the poor decisions you've made, and realizing YOU are the problem, not the rich person. So it's best to just keep seeing yourself as a victim, and the wealthy person as undeserving. This way, you can continue to live in denial, blame others for your troubles, and never have to accept responsibility for your life.
 
Why is it that people think that the poor deserve MORE than they earn, or that the rich need to have what they have earned, either through work or investment, taken away. My father was raised by parents, neither of whom graduated HS. My grandfather punched his 9th grade english teacher and never went back to school. He started out as a station attendant for Standard Oil, and worked his way up to station manager and then right before WWII regional manager. Spent 4 years in the Asian theater and then came home. Went back to work for Standard Oil, and by the time he retired he was the plant supervisor at the Chevron refinery in El Paso Tx. My father graduated HS in 1965, went to University of New Mexico, working part time at my Uncles Gas station and my mom worked as a dental assistant and paid my dad's tuition. My dad got his Ph.D in Psychology in 1973 and started working. In the 90's he got his post doc in Neuropsychology and began working in that field, The last 5 or 6 years of my dad's practice he made in excess of 450k per year. He earned every dollar of it but lefties seem to think that he should have to sacrifice some of that money because there are people who don't have as much. He has since retired and works 3 days a week at a hospital as the prescribing Psychologist (in NM Ph.D's can prescribe if they go through a series of classes). This is how MOST people who make 250k or more per year got where they are. Though hard work and sacrifice. Why shouldn't they be allowed to keep it?
 
apple0154 said:
The "hate" is not because someone is rich. The anger is due to others suffering, doing without. If a person has sufficient food to eat they usually don't care what others are eating. The average person driving home from work is not cursing when driving through a wealthy part of town but a person on a bus passing through the same part of town on their way home from a part time, minimum wage paying job knowing they can't afford this month's rent will probably feel differently.

It's not greed or laziness or jealously or hate. Their anger is not at someone having money. Their anger is at the suffering they have to endure when there is sufficient for everyone.
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So from each according to his ability to each according to his needs? So then why should I work harder? If we have your world, everyone will get what they need be case the is "enough for everyone".
 
apple0154 said:
The "hate" is not because someone is rich. The anger is due to others suffering, doing without. If a person has sufficient food to eat they usually don't care what others are eating. The average person driving home from work is not cursing when driving through a wealthy part of town but a person on a bus passing through the same part of town on their way home from a part time, minimum wage paying job knowing they can't afford this month's rent will probably feel differently.

It's not greed or laziness or jealously or hate. Their anger is not at someone having money. Their anger is at the suffering they have to endure when there is sufficient for everyone.
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How is that different from African third world countries hating us because we're rich and they're not?
 
bravo said:
there is sufficient for everyone.?/////

Yes Assle.....there is sufficient for everyone.....all one needs to do is get it....They need to earn it....... and work for it, etc.......

Just don't expect IT to be given to you......given to you by someone that force ably TAKES it from someone else that has already EARNED IT, WORKED FOR IT for themselves......
You don't seem to quite understand that simple concept....

If you wait for the banana to fall from the tree, you might just starve waiting, but if you climb up and get it, its yours.....unless someone like you takes it away to give to somebody else.....
Am I getting through to you ?......
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There is no banana for one to get but someone has a lot of bananas. Enough to share.

Am I getting through to you?
 
apple0154 said:
There is no banana for one to get but someone has a lot of bananas. Enough to share.

Am I getting through to you?
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The person with no bananas has no bananas because he sat on the ground and played with the butterflies while the second guys figured out that if you get a stick you can knock bundles down, now Playing With the Butterflies wants some bananas and Has a Stick wants to keep what he earned.
 
Dixie said:
Why would they feel differently? This makes no sense to me. Wealth envy is wealth envy, whether you are millionaire envious of a billionaire or a homeless person envious of someone living in government housing. There are no parameters to this, you either have the mindset that some people have more than they deserve or you believe people make their own way and deserve the fruits of their labor.

We have equal access to education in this country, it's been the law of the land for decades. We have laws which punish parents if they don't send their kids to school, it's mandatory that kids up to age 16 remain in school. There is no disadvantage when it comes to educational opportunity, we all have the same access to the same resources. People who are wealthy, for the most part, weren't just handed their fortunes... that is sometimes the case, but for the most part, it's not. For the most part, wealthy people started out just like you and I, and the poor person on the bus, and they worked hard to achieve and accomplish their goals, they had the ambition and drive to succeed, and they didn't turn themselves into 'victims' who were incapable of greatness, they kept believing in themselves and the dream, and realized it.

Now you want to take these people and say, they don't deserve to keep what they worked so hard to attain, because here are these less motivated people who are still riding the bus, and it's not fair they don't have all the wealth of the person who was driven to success. You want to pretend the cards were somehow stacked against them, they didn't have the same luck in life, as if wealth is acquired by sheer luck and fortune.

Instead of your poor person riding the bus through the rich neighborhood seething with bitterness and feeling sorry for themselves, perhaps they should be pondering what those wealthy people did to get to where they are? Was it more emphasis on school and education? Did they avoid getting married and having kids? Did they work part time jobs at night for a while? How did they get to where they are? But you see... that requires "self-evaluation" and coming to terms with the poor decisions you've made, and realizing YOU are the problem, not the rich person. So it's best to just keep seeing yourself as a victim, and the wealthy person as undeserving. This way, you can continue to live in denial, blame others for your troubles, and never have to accept responsibility for your life.
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Again, you misunderstand. No one is saying the wealthy is undeserving. The problem does not lie with what the wealthy person has. The problem lies with what the poor person doesn't have. Do try to understand the difference.

As for the rest of your post children from wealthy families have greater access to education because they can afford it. They have a better chance of getting a job while in school (high school, college, university) because wealthy people usually know people who own businesses. The same applies to landing a job after graduation. That's where the old saying comes from, "It's who you know, not what you know."

Luck and circumstance play a big part in success.
 
Socrtease said:
So from each according to his ability to each according to his needs? So then why should I work harder? If we have your world, everyone will get what they need be case the is "enough for everyone".
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That's not what I wrote nor implied. A wealthy person may have $2,000 suit but everyone does not need such a suit. They do, however, require clothing.

People work hard to afford luxuries. No one is suggesting giving luxuries. I'm referring to necessities so my idea of the world is not the one you describe.
 
Disillusioned said:
The person with no bananas has no bananas because he sat on the ground and played with the butterflies while the second guys figured out that if you get a stick you can knock bundles down, now Playing With the Butterflies wants some bananas and Has a Stick wants to keep what he earned.
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So you believe the majority of poor people are poor because they're lazy?
 
apple0154 said:
So you believe the majority of poor people are poor because they're lazy?
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I'm suggesting that the poor are poor for a reason and the wealthy are wealthy for a reason, interestingly enough though more crime occurs in poor neighborhoods than in rich one's. People like money and if it's too hard to find they'll go for any means to get at it.
 
Disillusioned said:
Question that I've been bouncing around for some time and never gotten an answer to.
Why is it that when other countries hate america for having money, that's just greed and them being lazy, but when people hate the rich for having money, that's totally ok?

I thought it was ok that all those third world countries hated us because they were just envious. Is America the 1%?
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I'm guessing you must be one of the least well informed people in Am,erica.
America is not hated for having money. You do not HAVE money. Your standard of living is NOT enormously better than anyone elses. They despise you for one thing (which is the driving force behind a myriad of other things) and that is your unbridled, unearned, unjustifiable arrogance. Back in the day you were richer. Your 'poverty line' was at least the level of the average Brit and light years above the average Asian. But no longer. You need to stop believing your own propaganda buddy.
The 1% are not hated for their money. They are mostly hated for the belief that they are dishonest and not part of normal society. Like wild animals we do not like animals outside our own herd or pride or group. They are hated because too often they are shown to have trampled on decent people to get their riches. Bill Gates is the second richest man in the world. I don't see a great deal of hatred towards him.

A better 'Why is it?' might be 'Why is it that so many (not all) Americans believe their own crap and then think it doesn't stink?
 
Disillusioned said:
I'm suggesting that the poor are poor for a reason and the wealthy are wealthy for a reason, interestingly enough though more crime occurs in poor neighborhoods than in rich one's. People like money and if it's too hard to find they'll go for any means to get at it.
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More 'discovered' crime occurs in poor societies. Far, far less money or property is 'misappropriated' by the poor than by the rich.
 
Lowaicue said:
More 'discovered' crime occurs in poor societies. Far, far less money or property is 'misappropriated' by the poor than by the rich.
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So your position is just that money is Sh*t then? As a side note I don't believe that america is better, I'd just like to question the justification we use when americans hear about all the other countries that spit on us and call us the devil. Since we don't like the obvious one which is we act like A**holes the entire time
 
Disillusioned said:
I'm suggesting that the poor are poor for a reason and the wealthy are wealthy for a reason, interestingly enough though more crime occurs in poor neighborhoods than in rich one's. People like money and if it's too hard to find they'll go for any means to get at it.
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I agree with "the poor are poor for a reason and the wealthy are wealthy for a reason", however, that doesn't necessarily mean the reason is their own doing. As for "People like money and if it's too hard to find they'll go for any means to get at it" it's more a case of needing money. The lack of necessary funds results in more crime which is why tourists to impoverished countries are advised to stay near the resorts. It's natural people will do what is necessary to survive.
 
Disillusioned said:
So your position is just that money is Sh*t then? As a side note I don't believe that america is better, I'd just like to question the justification we use when americans hear about all the other countries that spit on us and call us the devil. Since we don't like the obvious one which is we act like A**holes the entire time
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In many Arab eyes the west is the Devil. I've noted this before but here is the reason, again. Going into countries and telling the people their young daughters are allowed to go to school and walk around without being covered. In southern France women are permitted to go around topless. Now let's suppose a country invaded the US and the invaders insisted your teenage daughter (assuming you have one) could go out in public topless. If you resisted you would be arrested or shot. What would you think of the invaders?

Also, the US (and other western countries) have made it clear that if oil-producing countries refused to sell their oil it would be considered economic warfare. Since when does capitalism compel one to sell assets they own and to whom they have to sell them?

Furthermore, not everyone believes in democracy. Westerners do not understand the politics of Arab countries. It is a combination of politics and religion. Again, imagine an invader dictating people have a right to vote on the 10 Commandments. Imagine an invading power telling the Catholic Church they could not ex-communicate anyone unless the majority voted on it.

Those are some of the reasons the US and western nations, in general, are viewed as the Devil and the irony is the spreading of propaganda that it's the Arab countries that are trying to destroy our way of life when the opposite is obvious.
 
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