Another Obama Record!… The Average Age of US Car on the Road Is 10.8 Years

Darla said:
LOL Okay, thanks.

For years Top referred to me as the "schoolmarm spelling teacher" and the "spinster", though he often wrote that "spinzer", which I would then correct causing him to call me a schoolmarm yet again.

I am neither of those things so I figured whoever he was talking about didn't really repair fences. LOL He is funny though.
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Topper calls me a glorified garbageman......which to be honest....is pretty much true.
 
Return of Dune said:
So the price the Chevy dealer quoted me is wrong? Just the fact that Consumer Reports paid 60% more than what I found the car for sale for, 3 miles from my house undermines their credibility too much for me to pay them any mind.

Further Brent stated the gas only miliage at 100. The actual gas only miliage is more than 3 times that. On the battery miliage they are within reason of what the factory says, when averaged for year-round climate, but the EPA miliage is still better than that sugested by Brent.
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There splitting pussy hairs. I think the range and total cost to own are fairly well established for this car. As I calculated in an earlier post, you'd have to drive about 15k to 20 k per year for 5 years to break even over a comparable sized economy car like a corola, focus, cruze or civic. The real question for me is reliability and performance. Buying green is all well and nice but unless the performance is superior that isn't going to sell to most people unless the purchase represents comparable performance at a lower cost to operate. Right now, that's not the case and that makes the Volt (and the Leaf) a difficult sell.
 
The Dude said:
Dune please buy it, it's a total failure piece of junk. 1 you won't get it for under 30 and you can tell us where it failed. Like where do you plug in out of state?
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The charger is 120 volts, but is also runs on gas.
A 220 volt charger is available for home install and provides a full charge in 4 hours.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
There splitting pussy hairs. I think the range and total cost to own are fairl well established for this car. As I calculated in an earlier post, you'd have to drive about 15k to 20 k per year for 5 years to break even over a comparable sized economy car like a corola, focus, cruze or civic. The real question for me is reliability and performance. Buying green is all well and nice but unless the performance is superior that isn't going to sell to most people unless it has the purchase represents comparable performance at a lower cost to operate. Right now, that's not the case and that makes the Volt (and the Leaf) a difficult sell.
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How familar are you with electric motor propulsion and electric cars in general? Are you really qualified to do such calculations?
 
Return of Dune said:
The charger is 120 volts, but is also runs on gas.
A 220 volt charger is available for home install and provides a full charge in 4 hours.
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Duh plug in at your house, how about when I'm 500 miles away at a hilton. It does not preform the same once out of the 100 mile range it goes corolla.
 
Return of Dune said:
Nothing in this post makes any sense at all. Edit it or fix it or just admit you have no idea whatsoever WTF you talking about. Brent tried to hatchet the Volt with complete misinformation, some of which was inacurate by 300%. I am responding to him and his post and not Consumer Reports, who, if they were doing a good job, would not have listed the cars price as 60% higher than reality.
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And I was responding to YOUR QUOTE dipshit...

...Just the fact that Consumer Reports paid 60% more than what I found the car for sale for, 3 miles from my house undermines their credibility too much for me to pay them any mind.
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Return of Dune said:
The charger is 120 volts, but is also runs on gas.
A 220 volt charger is available for home install and provides a full charge in 4 hours.
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Just four hours... amazing. For someone who wants to go ALL electric... tell us... what happens in emergencies? what happens when you want to travel long distances?
 
Return of Dune said:
How familar are you with electric motor propulsion and electric cars in general? Are you really qualified to do such calculations?
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It's a simple calculation assuming the data I used is accurate. I obtained the total cost data from Yahoo auto and GM's website. It's also an estimate as real world cost can vary substantially. As for general knowledge, I've test driven several hybrids. I like the instant acceleration but the two I drove weren't that much different in peformance and handling then a Corolla or Focus. You had the same issue with a lot of hybrids. The improved gas mileage doesn't compensate for the higher cost with out the $7,500 tax break and even then it takes about 5 years of driving to reach the break even point and that's assuming maintenance cost are the same. That make the tax subsidization of these vehciles a very good thing as with out them they are not competative in their pricing but with them they are and this will help promote the technology to the point where the total cost to own will be lower while also achieving our national goal of consuming less oil.
 
Superfreak said:
Just four hours... amazing. For someone who wants to go ALL electric... tell us... what happens in emergencies? what happens when you want to travel long distances?
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You switch over to gas where you have about a 350 mile to 400 mile range. That's not an issue for the Volt. The real issue is total cost to own vs reliability. Right now the Leaf is out selling the Volt because it has a lower total cost but the Volt significantly out performs the leaf and has greater range. With the $7,500 tax rebate the total cost is fairly competative for someone who wants to go green. It really boils down to the reliability issue. Dropping a new motor or transmission in a Volt at 100,000 miles will cost you far more then dropping an engine in a Corrola at 100,000 miles. That and when you buy a Corolla you do so knowing that you're probably not going to have to drop a new engine or transmission in it at 100,000 miles. There's not enough history on the Volt (or the Leaf) to know if they have this level of reliability.
 
Dune:

Yes, I believe I was wrong about the range of the backup engine/tank. Probably a combination of bad memory and bias. ;)

Regarding the battery range, however, I will trust the CR findings over GM's stats any day of the week. You've chosen to do the opposite, trusting the corporation over the Consumers Union, the non-profit behind Consumer Reports magazine. That's fine.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
It's a simple calculation assuming the data I used is accurate. I obtained the total cost data from Yahoo auto and GM's website. It's also an estimate as real world cost can vary substantially. As for general knowledge, I've test driven several hybrids. I like the instant acceleration but the two I drove weren't that much different in peformance and handling then a Corolla or Focus. You had the same issue with a lot of hybrids. The improved gas mileage doesn't compensate for the higher cost with out the $7,500 tax break and even then it takes about 5 years of driving to reach the break even point and that's assuming maintenance cost are the same. That make the tax subsidization of these vehciles a very good thing as with out them they are not competative in their pricing but with them they are and this will help promote the technology to the point where the total cost to own will be lower while also achieving our national goal of consuming less oil.
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You're also leaving out insurance and maintenance costs, which are much greater than those of a gasoline motor.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
You switch over to gas where you have about a 350 mile to 400 mile range. That's not an issue for the Volt. The real issue is total cost to own vs reliability. Right now the Leaf is out selling the Volt because it has a lower total cost but the Volt significantly out performs the leaf and has greater range. With the $7,500 tax rebate the total cost is fairly competative for someone who wants to go green. It really boils down to the reliability issue. Dropping a new motor or transmission in a Volt at 100,000 miles will cost you far more then dropping an engine in a Corrola at 100,000 miles. That and when you buy a Corolla you do so knowing that you're probably not going to have to drop a new engine or transmission in it at 100,000 miles. There's not enough history on the Volt (or the Leaf) to know if they have this level of reliability.
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My question to him was regarding his belief that we should go ENTIRELY electric and eliminate gasoline all together.

I have suggested many times converting our transportation over to nat gas vs. gasoline and he always insists that electric is the better option (to nat gas).
 
Superfreak said:
Just four hours... amazing. For someone who wants to go ALL electric... tell us... what happens in emergencies? what happens when you want to travel long distances?
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Are you mental? You use gasoline. The car has a 320 mile gasoline only range. If you need to go further than that, then you will need to refill the gas. That is the awesome of this car. It not a hybrid, it is a plug in electric, with a built in range extending generator.
 
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