40 Reasons America Is In Decline, USA, USA, USA?!!

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#1 Back in 1985, 11 million vehicles were sold in America. In 2009, only 5.4 million vehicles were sold in America.

#2 In 1990, the median age of a vehicle in the United States was just 6.5 years. Today, the median age of a vehicle in the United States is approximately 10 years.

#3 The average price of a gallon of gasoline in 2011 has been $3.50. That is a new all-time record. The previous record was $3.24 in 2008.

#4 The average American household will have spent an astounding $4,155 on gasoline by the time the year is over.

#5 The number of children in the United States without a permanent home has increased by 38 percent since 2007.

#6 A decade ago, the United States was ranked number one in average wealth per adult. By 2010, the United States had fallen to seventh.

#7 The U.S. tax code is now more than 50,000 pages longer than it used to be.

#8 American 15-year-olds do not even rank in the top half of all advanced nations when it comes to math or science literacy.

#9 The United States once had the highest proportion of young adults with post-secondary degrees in the world. Today, the U.S. has fallen to 12th.

#10 After adjusting for inflation, U.S. college students are borrowing about twice as much money as they did a decade ago.

#11 The student loan default rate has nearly doubled since 2005.

#12 Our economy is not producing nearly enough jobs for our college graduates. The percentage of mail carriers with a college degree is now 4 times higher than it was back in 1970.

#13 Our infrastructure was once the envy of the world. Today, U.S. infrastructure is ranked 23rd.

#14 Since December 2007, median household income in the United States has declined by a total of 6.8% once you account for inflation.

#15 Since the year 2000, incomes for U.S. households led by someone between the ages of 25 and 34 have fallen by about 12 percent after you adjust for inflation.

#16 According to U.S. Representative Betty Sutton, America has lost an average of 15 manufacturing facilities a day over the last 10 years. During 2010 it got even worse. Last year, an average of 23 manufacturing facilities a day shut down in the United States.

#17 In all, more than 56,000 manufacturing facilities in the United States have shut down since 2001.

#18 The United States has lost a staggering 32 percent of its manufacturing jobs since the year 2000.

#19 Manufacturing employment in the U.S. computer industry was actually lower in 2010 than it was in 1975.

#20 In 1959, manufacturing represented 28 percent of all U.S. economic output. In 2008, it represented only 11.5 percent.

#21 The television manufacturing industry began in the United States. So how many televisions are manufactured in the United States today? According to Princeton University economist Alan S. Blinder, the grand total is zero.

#22 The U.S. trade deficit with China in 2010 was 27 times larger than it was back in 1990.

#23 The Economic Policy Institute says that since 2001 America has lost approximately 2.8 million jobs due to our trade deficit with China alone.

#24 According to one study, between 1969 and 2009 the median wages earned by American men between the ages of 30 and 50 dropped by 27 percent after you account for inflation.

#25 Back in 1980, less than 30% of all jobs in the United States were low income jobs. Today, more than 40% of all jobs in the United States are low income jobs.

#26 The size of the economy in India is projected to surpass the size of the U.S. economy by the year 2050.

#27 One prominent economist believes that the Chinese economy will be three times larger than the U.S. economy by the year 2040.

#28 In 2001, the United States ranked fourth in the world in per capita broadband Internet use. Today it ranks 15th.

#29 Back in the year 2000, 11.3% of all Americans were living in poverty. Today, 15.1% of all Americans are living in poverty.

#30 Last year, 2.6 million more Americans dropped into poverty. That was the largest increase that we have seen since the U.S. government began keeping statistics on this back in 1959.

#31 According to the U.S. Census Bureau, 6.7% of all Americans are living in extreme poverty, and that is the highest level that has ever been recorded before.

#32 The percentage of children living in poverty in the United States increased from 16.9 percent in 2006 to nearly 22 percent in 2010. In the UK and in France the child poverty rate is well under 10 percent.

#33 The number of children living in poverty in the state of California has increased by 30 percent.

#34 A staggering 48.5% of all Americans live in a household that receives some form of government benefits. Back in 1983, that number was below 30 percent.

#35 Back in 1965, only one out of every 50 Americans was on Medicaid. Today, one out of every 6 Americans is on Medicaid.

#36 Between 1991 and 2007 the number of Americans between the ages of 65 and 74 that filed for bankruptcy rose by a staggering 178 percent.

#37 Today, the too big to fail banks are larger than ever. The total assets of the six largest U.S. banks increased by 39 percent between September 30, 2006 and September 30, 2011.

#38 Since the Federal Reserve was created in 1913, the U.S. dollar has lost over 95 percent of its purchasing power.

#39 During the Obama administration, the U.S. government has accumulated more debt than it did from the time that George Washington took office to the time that Bill Clinton took office.

#40 The U.S. national debt is now nearly 15 times larger than it was just 30 years ago.

http://www.mrconservative.com/2011/12/america-in-decline/4/http://www.mrconservative.com/2011/12/america-in-decline/4/


 
#12 Our economy is not producing nearly enough jobs for our college graduates. The percentage of mail carriers with a college degree is now 4 times higher than it was back in 1970.
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I this is, in large part, due to the fact that so many people have a college degree now. There was only so much room for people with college degrees. But because Americans have to believe that 100% of us are above average, everyone gets a college degrees, even those who honestly are not intellectually developed enough for it to be a good decision. Anyway, a mail carrier is actually a damn good job. With the fall of unions, government has become the one of the only sources for these good jobs which provide a high quality of life. Many people just want stability and a job that they can raise a family with. High stakes jobs aren't for everyone and aren't necessarily superior.

But our economy has not been producing enough of these jobs to meet the demand, because the market, which would otherwise produce many unions and many unionized jobs, has been artificially forced to largely eliminate such things, based on right-wing beliefs that doing so would result in a social darwinist situation which would naturally produce greater economic growth and efficiency. Such gains, however, have largely been illusory, and the overall effect of mucking with the market in such a way has largely just been to reduce quality of life.

#14 Since December 2007, median household income in the United States has declined by a total of 6.8% once you account for inflation.
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This is very true. There's been a redistribution in gains in American society. I am not a sentimentalist; I don't give two shits about justified economic inequality, and would fully support such a policy if I felt that it was necessary for economic progress. However, the data simply does not show such a result. Only decreased quality of life.

#27 One prominent economist believes that the Chinese economy will be three times larger than the U.S. economy by the year 2040.
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The growth of China is pretty much inevitable. Even if they do crash, I can't imagine them not being several times larger than the US economy at some point in time. If they even reached a GDP per capita comparable to Mexico at some point in the future (which would be very modest prediction), their economy would be twice the size of ours in total terms.

To put things in perspective, let's go back in history and do a different comparison here, between the US and the UK at the start of WWII. The US and the UK were about equal in power back then. They were roughly even on GDP per capita, but the US had twice the population of the UK proper. The UK's power was truly based on the Imperial model, which put them on even footing with the US. After the war, however, the Imperial model fell apart. The UK didn't lose anything in GDP per capita, in fact, I think they've probably made some gains there. But, with immigration, the population of the US has grown from twice to five times that of the UK, and we've also not lost anything in GDP per capita. Thusly, the UK simply looks insignificant compared to us. All in 50 years, and even though the UK largely hasn't made any bad decisions any that time.

Now let's return to the comparison between the US and China. If China were to rise to something similar to America's GDP per capita (and, to be fair, we are thinking over a very long term period of time here), they would easily have five times our GDP. They would be to us as we currently are to the UK.

People make comparisons to Japan, but Japan was an already developed country developing far beyond other developed countries. If they had continued developing at the rate they were, it would've been unprecedented. China, on the other hand, is simply a developing country rising out of poverty. That happens all the time. The only difference here is that they're massive, and would completely and totally disrupt the balance of power in the world if they do so. And anyway, to be honest, we look a lot more like Japan than China does right now.

#34 A staggering 48.5% of all Americans live in a household that receives some form of government benefits. Back in 1983, that number was below 30 percent.
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This is probably largely from unemployment insurance and a rise in the elderly population. Our current expenditure on unemployment insurance is astounding. I remember looking at budgets back before the crisis, and unemployment insurance wasn't even a significant enough expenditure to be listed. Now unemployment + medicaid spending (the big green chunk) is almost the size of the goddamn military (the big red chunk):

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Welfare spending in the form of TANF has greatly shrunk due to reform, but that was never a large part of the spending anyway. Most of our spending is on the elderly. And I have no idea how we're going to deal with the elderly in the future unless we start saving or paying off our debt, and both of those things seem politically impossible. And we can't currently maintain the level of unemployment spending, but unemployment is staying high, and jobs aren't opening up. I fear that, once we stop extending it, we're going to see a huge spike in homelessness (along with Obamatowns or Romneytowns), coupled with a further spike in unemployment which only exacerbates the situation. This unemployment spending has probably been the only reason we aren't seeing the level of unrest we saw in the 30's. It's already bad enough as it is. I've been seeing ever increasing amounts of people walking down the highway, homeless, and hitchhiking. I had never seen a hitchiker before 2008. But they've steadily been increasing until I can't drive down the road without seeing them.
 
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It's important to note that unemployment figures during the great depression counted government employees as unemployed and didn't go through the amount of steps we currently go through to screen out those who don't plan on finding a job (even if they've only stopped because they've become unemployment). It's not unreasonable to assume that unemployment under the metric used during the Great Depression wouldn't produce figures more like 15% or 20%. We're been taping this gaping wound shut with unemployment insurance, but the bottom is going to fall out pretty soon.
 
E=Emperor Lusgelnio;928462]I this is, in large part, due to the fact that so many people have a college degree now. There was only so much room for people with college degrees. But because Americans have to believe that 100% of us are above average, everyone gets a college degrees, even those who honestly are not intellectually developed enough for it to be a good decision. Anyway, a mail carrier is actually a damn good job. With the fall of unions, government has become the one of the only sources for these good jobs which provide a high quality of life. Many people just want stability and a job that they can raise a family with. High stakes jobs aren't for everyone and aren't necessarily superior.
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while mostly true, i don't think the number of people who have college degrees is 'the' issue you want it to be. you're in college and soon to be a grad, it is YOUR choice what you want to do with your education. i knew that i would have virtually nothing with just an undergrad degree, maybe 40K a year tops. so i decided to get an MBA or a law degree. in the end, i chose meter maid school and have experienced happiness ever since.



But our economy has not been producing enough of these jobs to meet the demand, because the market, which would otherwise produce many unions and many unionized jobs, has been artificially forced to largely eliminate such things, based on right-wing beliefs that doing so would result in a social darwinist situation which would naturally produce greater economic growth and efficiency. Such gains, however, have largely been illusory, and the overall effect of mucking with the market in such a way has largely just been to reduce quality of life.
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i disagree. our economy is producing many non union jobs. the so called union jobs are unfortunately going to illegal immigrants. IMO, if we crack down on illegal immigration, coupled with a crack down on welfare benefits, many more of our citizens would have jobs.


This is very true. There's been a redistribution in gains in American society. I am not a sentimentalist; I don't give two shits about justified economic inequality, and would fully support such a policy if I felt that it was necessary for economic progress. However, the data simply does not show such a result. Only decreased quality of life.
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what data do you refer to?


The growth of China is pretty much inevitable. Even if they do crash, I can't imagine them not being several times larger than the US economy at some point in time. If they even reached a GDP per capita comparable to Mexico at some point in the future (which would be very modest prediction), their economy would be twice the size of ours in total terms.
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your opinion has merit. i too believe as you do. that said, i don't believe china will ever become the economy of scale that we have or that the "west" has. their form of government simply does not allow it.


To put things in perspective, let's go back in history and do a different comparison here, between the US and the UK at the start of WWII. The US and the UK were about equal in power back then. They were roughly even on GDP per capita, but the US had twice the population of the UK proper. The UK's power was truly based on the Imperial model, which put them on even footing with the US. After the war, however, the Imperial model fell apart. The UK didn't lose anything in GDP per capita, in fact, I think they've probably made some gains there. But, with immigration, the population of the US has grown from twice to five times that of the UK, and we've also not lost anything in GDP per capita. Thusly, the UK simply looks insignificant compared to us. All in 50 years, and even though the UK largely hasn't made any bad decisions any that time.
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fair point. however, the UK was the dominant economic and military power just a couple of hundred years ago.

Now let's return to the comparison between the US and China. If China were to rise to something similar to America's GDP per capita (and, to be fair, we are thinking over a very long term period of time here), they would easily have five times our GDP. They would be to us as we currently are to the UK.
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hypothetically speaking....perhaps.

People make comparisons to Japan, but Japan was an already developed country developing far beyond other developed countries. If they had continued developing at the rate they were, it would've been unprecedented. China, on the other hand, is simply a developing country rising out of poverty. That happens all the time. The only difference here is that they're massive, and would completely and totally disrupt the balance of power in the world if they do so. And anyway, to be honest, we look a lot more like Japan than China does right now.
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not sure what your point is.


This is probably largely from unemployment insurance and a rise in the elderly population. Our current expenditure on unemployment insurance is astounding. I remember looking at budgets back before the crisis, and unemployment insurance wasn't even a significant enough expenditure to be listed. Now unemployment + medicaid spending (the big green chunk) is almost the size of the goddamn military (the big red chunk):
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again, your point?


Welfare spending in the form of TANF has greatly shrunk due to reform, but that was never a large part of the spending anyway. Most of our spending is on the elderly. And I have no idea how we're going to deal with the elderly in the future unless we start saving or paying off our debt, and both of those things seem politically impossible. And we can't currently maintain the level of unemployment spending, but unemployment is staying high, and jobs aren't opening up. I fear that, once we stop extending it, we're going to see a huge spike in homelessness (along with Obamatowns or Romneytowns), coupled with a further spike in unemployment which only exacerbates the situation. This unemployment spending has probably been the only reason we aren't seeing the level of unrest we saw in the 30's. It's already bad enough as it is. I've been seeing ever increasing amounts of people walking down the highway, homeless, and hitchhiking. I had never seen a hitchiker before 2008. But they've steadily been increasing until I can't drive down the road without seeing them
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IMO, i don't think unemployment is as bad you think it is. your hitchiker example has nothining to do with unemployment stats.

spending: i think i agree with you. the amount of money obama had authority to spend should have created more jobs. the issue, isn't just money, but how the money is spent.
 
I wonder why China is gonna have a larger economy, they have almost four times as many people, this is like belgium wondering why Germany's economy is larger.
 
signalmankenneth said:
#1 Back in 1985, 11 million vehicles were sold in America. In 2009, only 5.4 million vehicles were sold in America.

#2 In 1990, the median age of a vehicle in the United States was just 6.5 years. Today, the median age of a vehicle in the United States is approximately 10 years.

#3 The average price of a gallon of gasoline in 2011 has been $3.50. That is a new all-time record. The previous record was $3.24 in 2008.

#4 The average American household will have spent an astounding $4,155 on gasoline by the time the year is over.

#5 The number of children in the United States without a permanent home has increased by 38 percent since 2007.

#6 A decade ago, the United States was ranked number one in average wealth per adult. By 2010, the United States had fallen to seventh.

#7 The U.S. tax code is now more than 50,000 pages longer than it used to be.

#8 American 15-year-olds do not even rank in the top half of all advanced nations when it comes to math or science literacy.

#9 The United States once had the highest proportion of young adults with post-secondary degrees in the world. Today, the U.S. has fallen to 12th.

#10 After adjusting for inflation, U.S. college students are borrowing about twice as much money as they did a decade ago.

#11 The student loan default rate has nearly doubled since 2005.

#12 Our economy is not producing nearly enough jobs for our college graduates. The percentage of mail carriers with a college degree is now 4 times higher than it was back in 1970.

#13 Our infrastructure was once the envy of the world. Today, U.S. infrastructure is ranked 23rd.

#14 Since December 2007, median household income in the United States has declined by a total of 6.8% once you account for inflation.

#15 Since the year 2000, incomes for U.S. households led by someone between the ages of 25 and 34 have fallen by about 12 percent after you adjust for inflation.

#16 According to U.S. Representative Betty Sutton, America has lost an average of 15 manufacturing facilities a day over the last 10 years. During 2010 it got even worse. Last year, an average of 23 manufacturing facilities a day shut down in the United States.

#17 In all, more than 56,000 manufacturing facilities in the United States have shut down since 2001.

#18 The United States has lost a staggering 32 percent of its manufacturing jobs since the year 2000.

#19 Manufacturing employment in the U.S. computer industry was actually lower in 2010 than it was in 1975.

#20 In 1959, manufacturing represented 28 percent of all U.S. economic output. In 2008, it represented only 11.5 percent.

#21 The television manufacturing industry began in the United States. So how many televisions are manufactured in the United States today? According to Princeton University economist Alan S. Blinder, the grand total is zero.

#22 The U.S. trade deficit with China in 2010 was 27 times larger than it was back in 1990.

#23 The Economic Policy Institute says that since 2001 America has lost approximately 2.8 million jobs due to our trade deficit with China alone.

#24 According to one study, between 1969 and 2009 the median wages earned by American men between the ages of 30 and 50 dropped by 27 percent after you account for inflation.

#25 Back in 1980, less than 30% of all jobs in the United States were low income jobs. Today, more than 40% of all jobs in the United States are low income jobs.

#26 The size of the economy in India is projected to surpass the size of the U.S. economy by the year 2050.

#27 One prominent economist believes that the Chinese economy will be three times larger than the U.S. economy by the year 2040.

#28 In 2001, the United States ranked fourth in the world in per capita broadband Internet use. Today it ranks 15th.

#29 Back in the year 2000, 11.3% of all Americans were living in poverty. Today, 15.1% of all Americans are living in poverty.

#30 Last year, 2.6 million more Americans dropped into poverty. That was the largest increase that we have seen since the U.S. government began keeping statistics on this back in 1959.

#31 According to the U.S. Census Bureau, 6.7% of all Americans are living in extreme poverty, and that is the highest level that has ever been recorded before.

#32 The percentage of children living in poverty in the United States increased from 16.9 percent in 2006 to nearly 22 percent in 2010. In the UK and in France the child poverty rate is well under 10 percent.

#33 The number of children living in poverty in the state of California has increased by 30 percent.

#34 A staggering 48.5% of all Americans live in a household that receives some form of government benefits. Back in 1983, that number was below 30 percent.

#35 Back in 1965, only one out of every 50 Americans was on Medicaid. Today, one out of every 6 Americans is on Medicaid.

#36 Between 1991 and 2007 the number of Americans between the ages of 65 and 74 that filed for bankruptcy rose by a staggering 178 percent.

#37 Today, the too big to fail banks are larger than ever. The total assets of the six largest U.S. banks increased by 39 percent between September 30, 2006 and September 30, 2011.

#38 Since the Federal Reserve was created in 1913, the U.S. dollar has lost over 95 percent of its purchasing power.

#39 During the Obama administration, the U.S. government has accumulated more debt than it did from the time that George Washington took office to the time that Bill Clinton took office.

#40 The U.S. national debt is now nearly 15 times larger than it was just 30 years ago.

http://www.mrconservative.com/2011/12/america-in-decline/4/
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we have met the enemy and he is us - our consumer driven economy has a thirst for cheap goods that can only be met by buying goods made in overseas countries, especially asian where there are no employee safety laws and people are willing to work for low wages

if you want american jobs to come back, buy american, if you can find american made products
 
Don Quixote said:
we have met the enemy and he is us - our consumer driven economy has a thirst for cheap goods that can only be met by buying goods made in overseas countries, especially asian where there are no employee safety laws and people are willing to work for low wages

if you want american jobs to come back, buy american, if you can find american made products
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How bout americans produce things worth buying and then I'll buy them. Compete don't control markets.
 
There are more than 40 reasons why America is in decline:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_Caucus
 
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There are more than 40 reasons why America is in decline:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_Caucus
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Yep, the Tea Party all by itself - which makes up 9% of the House of Representatives - is responsible for the decline of our nation. Nice detective work there, Sherlock.
 




http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/aug/4/tea-party-blocks-obama-appointees/


http://www.ourbroker.com/news/how-the-tea-party-controls-washington-080811/


http://www.thejeffersontree.com/tea-party-blocks-middle-class-tax-cut/


http://articles.sfgate.com/2011-09-28/news/30211221_1_pipeline-safety-gas-pipeline-gas-safety-rules


http://clatl.com/freshloaf/archives...-groups-forms-pac-to-block-transportation-tax



Imperator Julius Caesar said:
Yep, the Tea Party all by itself - which makes up 9% of the House of Representatives - is responsible for the decline of our nation. Nice detective work there, Sherlock.
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The links above will show how the Tea-rorist minority has strangled our nation since January 2011.

Now, let's check your math, Dolt.

There are 435 members of the House of Representatives.

There are 60 members of the Tea Party caucus.

The Tea Party caucus represents 14 % of the House, not 9.

Nice work, there. Einstein.
 


This is why you see America in decline.

The republicans have been cheating in elections for decades and winning elections the people didnt want them to win.

Then they get ahold of government and make it NOT WORK for the people.

The numbers sighted by the OP show our decline started in the 80s when Reagan decided deficits didnt matter and that the wealthy paid too miuch taxes.

That and bills like pro 13 in Cali killed our functioning system inch by inch.


The republicans dont want government to work so they systematically dismantle and or hamstring the things that do work to try and prove their point.

The problem is that is NOT proving their point but sabotaging our country.

Why so many fools still buy into the rights hatred for what the founders left us is beyond me.
 
evince said:


This is why you see America in decline.

The republicans have been cheating in elections for decades and winning elections the people didnt want them to win.

Then they get ahold of government and make it NOT WORK for the people.

The numbers sighted by the OP show our decline started in the 80s when Reagan decided deficits didnt matter and that the wealthy paid too miuch taxes.

That and bills like pro 13 in Cali killed our functioning system inch by inch.


The republicans dont want government to work so they systematically dismantle and or hamstring the things that do work to try and prove their point.

The problem is that is NOT proving their point but sabotaging our country.

Why so many fools still buy into the rights hatred for what the founders left us is beyond me.
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Good thing we have Desh here to remind us everything wrong with the country is the result of one party. Hopefully she'll come back and spend time on this board with nuggets like this.

The worst thing the Republicans do is spread lies about Democratic vote fraud. I mean the city of Chicago has never seen vote fraud. "Landslide" Lyndon Johnson didn't steal any elections.

The key to the future of our country, as Desh has pointed out, is merging the two parties into the Democratic Party. If that occurs we have a chance.
 
http://articles.latimes.com/1986-10-25/news/mn-7435_1_republican-national-committee




GOP Memo Admits Plan Could 'Keep Black Vote Down'


October 25, 1986|From the Washington Post


NEWARK, N.J. — A Republican National Committee official calculated that a so-called ballot security program in Louisiana "could keep the black vote down considerably," according to documents released in federal court Friday.

The documents and court hearing were the latest developments in a controversy over the GOP's ballot program that Democrats maintain is aimed at reducing minority turnout. The Republicans say the program's sole purpose is to purge ineligible voters from voting roles.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Central_Voter_File


James Lee's testimony

On 17 April 2001, James Lee testified, before the McKinney panel, that the state had given DBT the directive to add to the purge list people who matched at least 90% of a last name. DBT objected, knowing that this would produce a huge number of false positives (non-felons).[7]

Lee went on saying that the state then ordered DBT to shift to an even lower threshold of 80% match, allowing also names to be reversed (thus a person named Thomas Clarence could be taken to be the same as Clarence Thomas). Besides this, middle initials were skipped, Jr. and Sr. suffixes dropped, and some nicknames and aliases were added to puff up the list.

"DBT told state officials", testified Lee, "that the rules for creating the [purge] list would mean a significant number of people who were not deceased, not registered in more than one county, or not a felon, would be included on the list. DBT made suggestions to reduce the numbers of eligible voters included on the list". According to Lee, to this suggestion the state told the company, "Forget about it".

"The people who worked on this (for DBT) are very adamant... they told them what would happen", said Lee. "The state expected the county supervisors to be the failsafe." Lee said his company will never again get involved in cleansing voting rolls. "We are not confident any of the methods used today can guarantee legal voters will not be wrongfully denied the right to vote", Lee told a group of Atlanta-area black lawmakers in March 2001.[8]
 
From 2002 to 2005, the Justice Department found, only five people were convicted for voting multiple times. In that same period, federal prosecutors convicted only 86 people for improper voting.

Are new photo ID laws in Alabama, Kansas, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas and Wisconsin really necessary?

Or are such laws just another conservative scheme to oppress young people and minorities and limit Democratic turnout?

http://host.madison.com/ct/news/opi...8d2-5ee1-b5c4-54e25fcb5c35.html#ixzz1i2UhWUGf
 
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