All American Muslim?

[dixon76710]

"I come not to bring peace, but to bring a sword" Gospel of Matthew 10:34

Youre making our point for us. Compare what you give top billing to as evidence of violence in christian doctrine, with the evidence of violence in Islam. No comparison

[2.191] And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.

[2.193] And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah...

2.216] Fighting is enjoined on you, and h is an object of dislike to you; and it may be that you dislike a thing while it is good for you, and it may be that you love a thing while it is evil for you, and Allah knows, while you do not know.

[2.244] And fight in the way of Allah,...

[2.246] ...May it not be that you would not fight if fighting is ordained for you? They said: And what reason have we that we should not fight in the way of Allah, and we have indeed been compelled to abandon our homes and our children. But when fighting was ordained for them, they turned back, except a few of them, and Allah knows the unjust.

[3.151] We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they set up with Allah that for which He has sent down no authority, and their abode is the fire, and evil is the abode of the unjust.

[3.169] And reckon not those who are killed in Allah's way as dead; nay, they are alive (and) are provided sustenance from their Lord;

[4.74] Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world's life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward.

[4.76] Those who believe fight in the way of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the way of the Shaitan. Fight therefore against the friends of the Shaitan; surely the strategy of the Shaitan is weak.

[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

[9.111] Surely Allah has bought of the believers their persons and their property for this, that they shall have the garden; they fight in Allah's way, so they slay and are slain;

[9.123] O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).

[47.4] So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them,

 

[dixon76710]

I've got two, I'm into mocking Jesus freaks and Muslim haters.

So far Ive only seen you mocking and criticizing christianity while you defend Islam. And I have 3

 

[dixon76710]

Christianity is an evil movement with the express intention of destroying America. Let us bring back the pagan values of old, restoring what was true about the world. Or, perhaps, pray to Cthulhu to eat us first.

Nonsense. Christianity helped establish the United States. Colonial America, the Bible was the #1 Best seller until Thomas Paine published "Common Sense" which became the #1 seller, using Christian doctrine to demonstrate the illigitimacy of monarchies ordained with gods authority by the church. Established that gods authority belonged to the individual and the basis of government of, by and for the people.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Nope. Why don't you try to convince me that Islamic terrorism is not a problem in the civilized world and that Christian terrorism is.

Ever been to Northern Ireland?

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Nonsense. Christianity helped establish the United States. Colonial America, the Bible was the #1 Best seller until Thomas Paine published "Common Sense" which became the #1 seller, using Christian doctrine to demonstrate the illigitimacy of monarchies ordained with gods authority by the church. Established that gods authority belonged to the individual and the basis of government of, by and for the people.

I wouldn't over sell that notion. The ratification of our Constitution was opposed vigirously by many religious groups, Calvinist in New England, Quakers in PA and Catholics in Maryland all opposed ratification of the US Constitution based almost entirely on their opposition to the first Ammendments gaurentee of religious freedom. As for the Bible being the #1 best seller...ehhh for nearly 100 years it competed with the Sears-Robuck Catalogue as America's most popular book. So I wouldn't read to much into that.

 

[dixon76710]

I wouldn't over sell that notion. The ratification of our Constitution was opposed vigirously by many religious groups, Calvinist in New England, Quakers in PA and Catholics in Maryland all opposed ratification of the US Constitution based almost entirely on their opposition to the first Ammendments gaurentee of religious freedom.

And that would be Calvinist, Quaker and Catholic doctrine opposing the first amendment. Nothing in the bible would support such opposition.

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."

"My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. But now my kingdom is from another place."

"Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God."

 

[The Dude]

So far Ive only seen you mocking and criticizing christianity while you defend Islam. And I have 3

Who's the Muslim poster I'm supposed to mock. All religion is comic books so I would defend any.

 

[dixon76710]

Who's the Muslim poster I'm supposed to mock. All religion is comic books so I would defend any.

Oh, its pretty obvious you defend Islam while mocking and condemning christianity.

Muslim haters are a bunch of skinheads and klansman!

I'm into mocking Jesus freaks and Muslim haters.

Close your pagan eyes to the millions killed in the name of Christianity and open after control is won. Ie moron pagan

Muslims believe that God is one and incomparable and the purpose of existence is to worship God

Christianity kills more than Muslims

We get all up in arms when Muslims are killing, it's ok for Christians to bomb the fuck out of muslims because they are Muslims. .

 

[Alias]

Really, the abortion clinic bombers didn't hurt anyone?

Here comes the old and tired argument of bombing abortion clinics. That is stupid and here is the reason............

Tell us how many people have been killed by bombing abortion clinics and how many people were killed by Islamic terrorism.

 

[Onceler]

Here comes the old and tired argument of bombing abortion clinics. You're stupid and here is the reason............

Tell us how many people have been killed by bombing abortion clinics and how many people were killed by Islamic terrorism.

So, you agree that there are violent extremists on both sides who use their religion as a shield, but it's just a matter of scale?

If that's the case, just look at Christianity's history behind more recent violence. That should even things up a bit.

 

[Alias]

Lefties will mock Christianity all day every day, but defend Islam all day long every day. They need those votes by a repressed victimized group like they've used others for years.

 

[Onceler]

Lefties will mock Christianity all day every day, but defend Islam all day long every day. They need those votes by a repressed victimized group like they've used others for years.

Hope that's not a response to me - where am I mocking Christianity?

 

[Alias]

So, you agree that there are violent extremists on both sides who use their religion as a shield, but it's just a matter of scale?

If that's the case, just look at Christianity's history behind more recent violence. That should even things up a bit.

And of course that means the Crusades, another old tired argument. The Crusades were a defense against the agressor, Islam.

What happened a thousand years ago doesn't interest me. I am concerned about my children and their children and I want to leave a better world, not a more dangerous one. Why would you defend a cultic tribal murderous religion unless you need their support for your political party. If it's religious rights you're concerned about, then we have more than enough for you to work on.

 

[Alias]

Hope that's not a response to me - where am I mocking Christianity?

Generic. You may be one of the exceptions. That doesn't change my point.

 

[dixon76710]

So, you agree that there are violent extremists on both sides who use their religion as a shield, but it's just a matter of scale?.

Can you show me ANY example of Christian abortion clinic bombers using religion as a shield? Nothing within christian doctrine would shield them from criticism. And in fact christian doctrine can pretty easily be used to condemn their actions.

 

[Onceler]

And of course that means the Crusades, another old tired argument. The Crusades were a defense against the agressor, Islam.

What happened a thousand years ago doesn't interest me. I am concerned about my children and their children and I want to leave a better world, not a more dangerous one. Why would you defend a cultic tribal murderous religion unless you need their support for your political party. If it's religious rights you're concerned about, then we have more than enough for you to work on.

The Crusades, the Inquisition, the KKK, skinheads, supremicist groups, etc, etc, etc.

You can turn a blind eye, but there are extremists in pretty much every religion. You focus on Islam because you're a bigot.

 

[Alias]

The Crusades, the Inquisition, the KKK, skinheads, supremicist groups, etc, etc, etc.

You can turn a blind eye, but there are extremists in pretty much every religion. You focus on Islam because you're a bigot.

Like I said, the Crusades were defensive to save lives against the aggressor, Islam.

Show us the Christian scriptures that instruct believers to support the inquisition, the KKK, skinheads, supremacist groups, etc, etc.

 

[Onceler]

Like I said, the Crusades were defensive to save lives against the aggressor, Islam.

Show us the Christian scriptures that instruct believers to support the inquisition, the KKK, skinheads, supremacist groups, etc, etc.

There is plenty of violence & advocacy of violence in Christian scriptures, as you well know. Supporters of the groups mentioned above use those phrases & warp them for their own purposes. Just as extremists do under Islam.

 

[Alias]

There is plenty of violence & advocacy of violence in Christian scriptures, as you well know. Supporters of the groups mentioned above use those phrases & warp them for their own purposes. Just as extremists do under Islam.

No, there aren't any words of Jesus imploring his followers to use violence in his name for the purpose of converting people or for revenge or anything. You don't know the bible. Jesus did not use violence. Muhammed used violence and murdered to spread his religion. I can find plenty in the Koran if you need to see them. Meanwhile, show us some words of Jesus that encourage his followers to commit violence like Muhammed does.

When a Christian commits a violent act in the name of Jesus, that is condemned by all Christians. When a muslim commits violence in the name of Islam or Muhammed, that is following the words of the prophet Muhammed.

 

[Onceler]

No, there aren't any words of Jesus imploring his followers to use violence in his name for the purpose of converting people. I can find plenty in the Koran if you need to see them. Meanwhile, show us some words of Jesus that encourage his followers to commit violence like Muhammed does.

Jesus doesn't talk about violence. The OT does.

Are you going to try to claim that the OT isn't part of Christianity?