Our troubles are over.....

Damocles said:
It would be far more likely to get others to agree with you that your short-term solution was palatable if they were at all looking at some of the long-term solutions offered. People aren't against a short-term solution if there is an end in sight.

Basically you would dismiss any discussion of a long-term solution, which winds up making what is supposed to be a short-term patch onto the long-term solution as you want it to be the only thing discussed.

Each time an offer is made to extend this but also provide something that can at least partially help long term we get threats to veto and jerks who tell us that 'the right' clearly "doesn't care".

It's nonsense political stances hoping to insert the class warfare and separation of our society into a place where solutions and extensions have been offered. IMO it shows that 'the left' doesn't want any compromise because they believe that that they can use this to drive a further wedge into an issue that actually effects lives.
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Well, if you saw any wrong by "the right", it would be a Christmas miracle!
 
Rana said:
Well, if you saw any wrong by "the right", it would be a Christmas miracle!
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As if. I spent 8 years speaking out against Bush's version of "conservative" policy. It's silly to neglect to remember what has happened in the past.

Do you support such an extension if even a partial solution is offered or do you support Obama's threat to veto any offer that includes any attempt at a long term solution so that your party can pretend that it was 'the right's' fault and try to drive a further wedge?
 
Damocles said:
It would be far more likely to get others to agree with you that your short-term solution was palatable if they were at all looking at some of the long-term solutions offered. People aren't against a short-term solution if there is an end in sight.

Basically you would dismiss any discussion of a long-term solution, which winds up making what is supposed to be a short-term patch onto the long-term solution as you want it to be the only thing discussed.

Each time an offer is made to extend this but also provide something that can at least partially help long term we get threats to veto and jerks who tell us that 'the right' clearly "doesn't care".

It's nonsense political stances hoping to insert the class warfare and separation of our society into a place where solutions and extensions have been offered. IMO it shows that 'the left' doesn't want any compromise because they believe that that they can use this to drive a further wedge into an issue that actually effects lives.
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The long term solution is a vibrant economy. That should get the unemployed to job openings ratio down to its historical normal level. A few thousand jobs from a pipeline project that people have real objections to isn't a long term solution. Deporting 10 million people isn't a solution at all.
 
Dungheap said:
The long term solution is a vibrant economy. That should get the unemployed to job openings ratio down to its historical normal level. A few thousand jobs from a pipeline project that people have real objections to isn't a long term solution. Deporting 10 million people isn't a solution at all.
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Like I said, even a small partial solution is rejected and a threat for a veto. Basically a manufactured lock so that one party can try to blame the other as the politicians play with people's lives. The demand that it be attached to nothing at all that can provide any solution at all is disgusting. This is the least that this administration could do, and they don't even want to do that. No arm extended, nothing offered but a veto for even the least that they could do.
 
Damocles said:
Like I said, even a small partial solution is rejected and a threat for a veto. Basically a manufactured lock so that one party can try to blame the other as the politicians play with people's lives. The demand that it be attached to nothing at all that can provide any solution at all is disgusting. This is the least that this administration could do, and they don't even want to do that. No arm extended, nothing offered but a veto for even the least that they could do.
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But then the President backed down on the veto threat. Then the Senate passed a compromise bill with 89 votes in favor. And what did the House Republicans so? Oh, that's right. They rejected it.

It's clear that one party is the problem.

This is how the negotiations have played out recently. Democrats want to do X. Republicans also want to do X. Instead of everyone just voting to do X, Republicans say they will only vote for X if the Democrats agree to Y. Democrats say no to Y then agree to X plus Y-. Republicans vote down X plus Y-. Then it's all Obama's fault for not being a leader.
 
Dungheap said:
But then the President backed down on the veto threat. Then the Senate passed a compromise bill with 89 votes in favor. And what did the House Republicans so? Oh, that's right. They rejected it.

It's clear that one party is the problem.

This is how the negotiations have played out recently. Democrats want to do X. Republicans also want to do X. Instead of everyone just voting to do X, Republicans say they will only vote for X if the Democrats agree to Y. Democrats say no to Y then agree to X plus Y-. Republicans vote down X plus Y-. Then it's all Obama's fault for not being a leader.
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Yeah, we do know which party is the problem.....the problem with failing to fix this faltering economy....

Investors and business don't know what the fuck will be the policy from one month to the next.....the uncertainty is crippling the economy.....

Piecemeal repairs at live and die in one or two months will never help us and that is problem with Democrats.....no vision, no plan, no ideas except to raise taxes and spend us in

oblivion.....
 
Annie said:
There are jobs available, not enough for all. Good or great jobs? For those with the skills. However, there are jobs for many. There was a time before I got my teaching job where I was subbing, (yeah, did this before), where I also worked at Jewel, (grocery), at least 32 hours a week for insurance, and third job as a licensed insurance producer part-time. Averaged 80 plus hours a week for a year and a half, but I was in my late 30's then. I can't do that now, but many can. I was able to keep up my mortgage, insurances, car payment, and provide for 3 kids in middle school and grammar school.



The government isn't going to create or save jobs, the illusion of caring for all those not making ends meet will burst sooner than later. If people are going to make it, they need to be brave enough to start something for themselves or work damn long hours.
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Why do you deny that there is a job shortage? It is as if you are irrational.
 
The Dude said:
There are more than 10 million illegal imagrants. To pretend the haven't been taking a larger share of low skilled jobs is ignorant. I know as a fence repair guy you miss the Bloomberg and msnbc constant talk of lack of skilled workers. Party hacks are usually low iq dolts like we see here.
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Dude, first of all you are talking to Nigel, whom no one could call a low I.Q. dolt, but since you think you are talking to me I will tell you
that despite your grandiose opinion of yourself, I am considerably smarter than you.
 
Return of Dune said:
Dude, first of all you are talking to Nigel, whom no one could call a low I.Q. dolt, but since you think you are talking to me I will tell you
that despite your grandiose opinion of yourself, I am considerably smarter than you.
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I agree, Nigel/Dungheap is very intelligent.
 
Imperator Julius Caesar said:
The left makes fun of people whom they view as inferior. The left pretends to stand up for the "common man" and so-called "working class", but what they actually desire is to create a society of entitlement, with the few "educated" elitists ruling over the ignorant masses. Obama couldn't be happier that more people are on food stamps than ever before.

Five years ago, I was working at an office supply store as a computer technician making $10/hour and received nothing but scorn and contempt from the left-wingers, some of whom are active on this site. They're hypocrites. The funny part is that I now have a job that pays more than many of them made at the time, so I can laugh my way to the bank. Fuck 'em.
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Are you on crack right now? WTF do you get this ridiculous ideas? Sounds like you worked with some assholes that were lefties. That's all.
 
Return of Dune said:
Dude, first of all you are talking to Nigel, whom no one could call a low I.Q. dolt, but since you think you are talking to me I will tell you
that despite your grandiose opinion of yourself, I am considerably smarter than you.
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I just did, I'm not from your other board and can care less of your opinion
 
Damocles said:
That's not what she said, and I believe that you know it. She acted in a positive direction to affect her own life rather than seeking to change things so she could receive government "blessings".

Basically, what I see her saying is that "God helps those who help themselves".
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I disagree. Annie believes there are plenty of jobs. Enough for someone to have even multiple jobs if they work hard. She has said so repeatedly in this thread. The facts just don't line up with this, though and I think you know that. I find your statement surprising and indicative of either a dispairing (to me) lack of awareness on your part or some kind of party blinder situation.
 
Damocles said:
It would be far more likely to get others to agree with you that your short-term solution was palatable if they were at all looking at some of the long-term solutions offered. People aren't against a short-term solution if there is an end in sight.

Basically you would dismiss any discussion of a long-term solution, which winds up making what is supposed to be a short-term patch onto the long-term solution as you want it to be the only thing discussed.

Each time an offer is made to extend this but also provide something that can at least partially help long term we get threats to veto and jerks who tell us that 'the right' clearly "doesn't care".

It's nonsense political stances hoping to insert the class warfare and separation of our society into a place where solutions and extensions have been offered. IMO it shows that 'the left' doesn't want any compromise because they believe that that they can use this to drive a further wedge into an issue that actually effects lives.
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What a crock.
It can't possibly be about some people getting to keep their homes out of forclosure or a rented roof over their heads, it has to be about diriving some imaginary wedge. B.S.
 
Return of Dune said:
I disagree. Annie believes there are plenty of jobs. Enough for someone to have even multiple jobs if they work hard. She has said so repeatedly in this thread. The facts just don't line up with this, though and I think you know that. I find your statement surprising and indicative of either a dispairing (to me) lack of awareness on your part or some kind of party blinder situation.
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Unemployment is under 6 percent for college grads, I don't have figures but assume similar for skilled tradesman. Ok stomp your feet some more
 
bravo said:
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/pelosi-extending-unemployment-benefits-would-create-600000-jobs

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said that extending unemployment benefits would add “600,000 jobs to our economy.”

She also said that the money from unemployment benefits creates a “safety net” for the U.S. economy because it “injects demand into the economy -- creating jobs.”

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There just isn't any words to describe this kind of reasoning......
liberalism truly is a mental illness....
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As compared to what? The clueless sellout assbag republicanazi assholes who want to give businesses god like powers and make them immune from the consequences of their actions?

Or perhaps, morons like Newt and Romenazi, who want to fix the budget by cutting jobs! Because we all know that more unemployment is sure to fix the economy.

The republicans are nothing more than traitors and sellouts who are owned by big business. It's time they are removed from office and that thier masters are jailed for life for public corruption, bribery, and general interfernce with the public good.
 
The Dude said:
Unemployment is under 6 percent for college grads, I don't have figures but assume similar for skilled tradesman. Ok stomp your feet some more
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The scale is essentialy that the unemployment rate is in inverse proportion to income, with those making wages of 150K having about 1.5% unemployment, or about the normal transitional amount, and those making 10K or under suffering from about 30% unemployment,
with the average falling about where you said, skilled tradesman level but at 9% not 6.

Two facts are clear. Those with more education have better employment prospects (duh).
2. There are not enough jobs for everyone who needs to work.
 
Return of Dune said:
The scale is essentialy that the unemployment rate is in inverse proportion to income, with those making wages of 150K having about 1.5% unemployment, or about the normal transitional amount, and those making 10K or under suffering from about 30% unemployment,
with the average falling about where you said, skilled tradesman level but at 9% not 6.

Two facts are clear. Those with more education have better employment prospects (duh).
2. There are not enough jobs for everyone who needs to work.
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Typical republican double talk. Cutting jobs isn't the way to fix the budget. Anybody adovacting this idea is an idiot who should not be allowed to hold office.
 
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