Newtzi Party Führer says ignore the judiciary

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Newt is right.

Is it not sensible to give to the branch that has the least actual power and the most actual training in constitutional law the most constitutional weight? Or is it the best idea, in your view, to give the people with the power the responsibility of policing the use of that power? The problem is that you can construct a rational argument for anything. The legislature and the executive will just create whatever argument they need to exercise whatever power they want, and the constitution will become meaningless. And for another thing, they'd often develop interpretations that disagreed with each other, leaving each branch conforming to a different constitution. It is sensible for them to show deference to the supreme court, a neutral third party. It is idiocy to claim that constitution would be best served by letting the lunatics run the asylum.

Newt's view is not irrational, and not original. It is, in fact, a restatement of the compartmentalist view that Jefferson advocated. However, the view that has won out, and has been part of our countries constitutional tradition for 200 years now, is that the supreme court has the final say. You argue that we should simply throw 200 years of tradition out of the window and wildly embrace a constitutional theory that is, in reality, no more rational than the one currently in practice. In all likelihood, the only reason it even interests you is because you believe that such a foolish move would serve the short term goals of your ideology. Well, I'd like to remind you, America has grown to be a great nation, and it has done so under the current tradition, not your proposed alternative. It has not always been perfect, but it has generally worked well, and it is foolish and short sighted to replace it with an untested alternative that has such obvious deficiencies.
 
Guess my point, and his, zoomed right over, huh? You'd prefer to play semantics and screw around with the way he said it. Nice. Welcome to the Third World our current President and the sheep that follow him are ushering us into. I got plenty of ammo. Y'all carry on.

Newt needs to speak a little more clearly then if he wishes to be President.
 
Leftist BS. Want to try a legit answer? Or are you going to be as stupid as you are where I know you from and spout some rhetoric? I put out the facts. Dispute them.
sarcasm was lost on you then, and apparently it still is. i'm not the same individual you knew from back then. try reading a bit of history on this board before you start making snap judgements. a little growth would do you good as well.

and i'm still smarter than you.
 
He has ... quantified by the fact that if that f*ck is re-elected, he gets to appoint two of the positions coming due next term. A point the leftist media and the current administration has kept mum about.

Oh, my, you are one of those, it is all the fault of the lefties. You need bad guys and it is your fellow Americans, the lefties.
In service to your country it was only for the right?
 
obama has repeatedly tried to lessen the influence and power of the judicial branch....but you'll never hear legion troll crying about that

only when the person is a republican is it a bad thing

You mean by usurping it? Since it currently has more conservative justices than lame-fuck progressive leftist ones? Can't imagine ....
 
Oh, my, you are one of those, it is all the fault of the lefties. You need bad guys and it is your fellow Americans, the lefties.
In service to your country it was only for the right?

Assume much?

It's all the fault of the sheep. I could care less what side you claim to be on nor who the fuck you think you are. This administration is unconstitutional and if you support it, so are you. Simple as that.

And go get your progressive, leftist, communist buddies from wherever if you want to argue with me, tadpole.
 
Is it not sensible to give to the branch that has the least actual power and the most actual training in constitutional law the most constitutional weight? Or is it the best idea, in your view, to give the people with the power the responsibility of policing the use of that power? The problem is that you can construct a rational argument for anything. The legislature and the executive will just create whatever argument they need to exercise whatever power they want, and the constitution will become meaningless. And for another thing, they'd often develop interpretations that disagreed with each other, leaving each branch conforming to a different constitution. It is sensible for them to show deference to the supreme court, a neutral third party. It is idiocy to claim that constitution would be best served by letting the lunatics run the asylum.

Newt's view is not irrational, and not original. It is, in fact, a restatement of the compartmentalist view that Jefferson advocated. However, the view that has won out, and has been part of our countries constitutional tradition for 200 years now, is that the supreme court has the final say. You argue that we should simply throw 200 years of tradition out of the window and wildly embrace a constitutional theory that is, in reality, no more rational than the one currently in practice. In all likelihood, the only reason it even interests you is because you believe that such a foolish move would serve the short term goals of your ideology. Well, I'd like to remind you, America has grown to be a great nation, and it has done so under the current tradition, not your proposed alternative. It has not always been perfect, but it has generally worked well, and it is foolish and short sighted to replace it with an untested alternative that has such obvious deficiencies.

Plus, the fact that he thinks that a President can ignore law when thinks his decisions are better than the courts. He had s ome points I agree upon, but I think he is way off base about ignoring ruling.

"As president I would say, I would instruct the national security apparatus to ignore the three most Supreme Court decisions on terrorism and I would say those are null and void and have no binding effect on the United States and in fact as commander in chief I would not tolerate a federal judge risking the safety of the United States with some misguided interpretation," Gingrich said.
 
Plus, the fact that he thinks that a President can ignore law henge thinks his decisions are better than the courts. He had s ome points I agree upon, but I think he is way off base about ignoring ruling.

"As president I would say, I would instruct the national security apparatus to ignore the three most Supreme Court decisions on terrorism and I would say those are null and void and have no binding effect on the United States and in fact as commander in chief I would not tolerate a federal judge risking the safety of the United States with some misguided interpretation," Gingrich said.
so you approve of unconstitutional and illegal actions to counter what you consider actions that are unconstitutional and illegal? nice attitude, traitor.
 
Assume much?

It's all the fault of the sheep. I could care less what side you claim to be on nor who the fuck you think you are. This administration is unconstitutional and if you support it, so are you. Simple as that.
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And go get your progressive, leftist, communist buddies from wherever if you want to argue with me, tadpole.

Ahaha, anger issues, okay, I see, I assume nothing, you pretty much have confirmed what I believe about you. You are just a dickhead.
 
Ahaha, anger issues, okay, I see, I assume nothing, you pretty much have confirmed what I believe about you. You are just a dickhead.

*yawn*

Want to try again? You assumed my stance. Spend a lot of money being and internet bigmouth, or what? No argument ... just insults. Must be a mindless progressive leftist. How was Wall St today?
 
*yawn*

Want to try again? You assumed my stance. Spend a lot of money being and internet bigmouth, or what? No argument ... just insults. Must be a mindless progressive leftist. How was Wall St today?


Ah, a projector, bye bye Gunless...
 
Ah, a projector, bye bye Gunless...

OH ... gee ... I thought this was about debating issues. In other words, you got no game other than insults, huh? You rate right up there with ... ummm ... Damned Yankee.

Man up or shut up, fuck.
 
Assume much?

It's all the fault of the sheep. I could care less what side you claim to be on nor who the fuck you think you are. This administration is unconstitutional and if you support it, so are you. Simple as that.

And go get your progressive, leftist, communist buddies from wherever if you want to argue with me, tadpole.

Why is this administration unconstitutional?
 
Why is this administration unconstitutional?

Ever grow any balls? A neg rep? Really? Can't man up on the fucking board and state your fucking point? You have to neg and ask a question.

Pussy.

Tell me what's Constitutional about Obamacare? I'll wait. For the years it will take you to come up with THAT answer.

Then you can explain how two superdelegates voted against the wills of their constituencies that would have put Hillary in office, put this lying sack of shit in office instead.

YOU explain. Or get back in your fucking league, little man.
 
Ever grow any balls? A neg rep? Really? Can't man up on the fucking board and state your fucking point? You have to neg and ask a question.

Pussy.

Tell me what's Constitutional about Obamacare? I'll wait. For the years it will take you to come up with THAT answer.

Then you can explain how two superdelegates voted against the wills of their constituencies that would have put Hillary in office, put this lying sack of shit in office instead.

YOU explain. Or get back in your fucking league, little man.

The stupid is exceedingly strong in this one.
 
Assume much?

It's all the fault of the sheep. I could care less what side you claim to be on nor who the fuck you think you are. This administration is unconstitutional and if you support it, so are you. Simple as that.

And go get your progressive, leftist, communist buddies from wherever if you want to argue with me, tadpole.


in what way is the current administration unconstitutional
 
Guess my point, and his, zoomed right over, huh? You'd prefer to play semantics and screw around with the way he said it. Nice. Welcome to the Third World our current President and the sheep that follow him are ushering us into. I got plenty of ammo. Y'all carry on.


LOL.
 
You mean by usurping it? Since it currently has more conservative justices than lame-fuck progressive leftist ones? Can't imagine ....
Do we have another barely a GED who's anger issues got him booted from the military. Welcome jughead!
 
Assume much?

It's all the fault of the sheep. I could care less what side you claim to be on nor who the fuck you think you are. This administration is unconstitutional and if you support it, so are you. Simple as that.

And go get your progressive, leftist, communist buddies from wherever if you want to argue with me, tadpole.

Wow another chicken hawk sofa general!
 
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