Get The Feds The Hell Out of Our Education System.

[Mott the Hoople]

As I was sitting here with my morning coffee, I got to thinking about this "indoctrination" thing.

It seems that hardcore rightwingers fear any "indoctrination" that comes from another group, but are perfectly fine with their own bunch doing it.

It seems to me that when educators ever teach something that people don't like or agree with that it's called indoctrination. That's why I sympathize with educators. They have to deal with vast armies of morons like Failias who are thankless for these peoples dedication.

I'm of the opinion that our nation owes a great and lasting debt to those dedicated and underpaid professionals who sacrifice their time and economic prosperity to educating us and our children. A great part of America's success as a nation is owed to these selfless people.

I hear a great deal of criticism of educators from the right wing but be honest and think back to your own public education about the quality of your teachers! I do and most of my teachers were hard working and skilled professional who did a great job. There were a few putses but they were mostly coaches and gym teachers. How many people here think most of the teachers they had during their education were incompetent (you'd better think about the implications of saying yes!)?

So when I hear clowns like Failias carping about our educational system or Federal involvement I understand that it's more of their projection and anger that children are not being indoctrinated with their ideological and political agenda and not that they are actually being indoctrinated with another.

 

[The Dude]

I graduated early too. Instead of going to juco I moved out of my parents home and shacked up with a cougar. Learned a lot more then you did!

Some have to settle for that, I bartended at a playboy top 50 club and had plenty friends with benefits.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Some have to settle for that, I bartended at a playboy top 50 club and had plenty friends with benefits.

It appears we both had our priorities straight then?

 

[WinterBorn]

It appears we both had our priorities straight then?

Ahhhh, memories of misbegotten youth. I went to work doing lights & sound for a band. I think the results were the same.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Things went precipitately down hill for me after I started college. Neither my undergrad or grad school had much of a campus social life. The joke at my alma matter was that it's the worlds largest commuter college (and it is) and in grad school the class load was just to much to go chasing trim. Palmer College is one tough mofo of a school. After that I moved to Dayton, Ohio...the capital of Kentucky. Found out the hard way hillbilly chicks don't dig college boys. Moved to Columbus in 1990 and things got a whole lot better.

 

[Alias]

So your problem is that the students are lousy at math.

That's an example. I honestly think the quality of our education has gone downhill drastically. The teacher's unions keep asking for more money for "the children", and our nation keeps falling behind other nations. The USA should have the best education system in the world. It's been taken over by Marxists and they need to be removed.

 

[WinterBorn]

That's an example. I honestly think the quality of our education has gone downhill drastically. The teacher's unions keep asking for more money for "the children", and our nation keeps falling behind other nations. The USA should have the best education system in the world. It's been taken over by Marxists and they need to be removed.

And the money is rarely spent on teacher's salaries or on textbooks.

Taken over by Marxists? Is that what you really think is the problems?

You don't like that we are not #1 in educating our children, but you want qualified teachers to be removed, not because they are bad teachers, but because of what they do at home in the privacy of their home?

You don't like that we are not #1 in educating our children, but you bitch about the system needing money. Ever really look at what teachers make?

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

It seems to me that when educators ever teach something that people don't like or agree with that it's called indoctrination. That's why I sympathize with educators. They have to deal with vast armies of morons like Failias who are thankless for these peoples dedication.

I'm of the opinion that our nation owes a great and lasting debt to those dedicated and underpaid professionals who sacrifice their time and economic prosperity to educating us and our children. A great part of America's success as a nation is owed to these selfless people.

I hear a great deal of criticism of educators from the right wing but be honest and think back to your own public education about the quality of your teachers! I do and most of my teachers were hard working and skilled professional who did a great job. There were a few putses but they were mostly coaches and gym teachers. How many people here think most of the teachers they had during their education were incompetent (you'd better think about the implications of saying yes!)?

So when I hear clowns like Failias carping about our educational system or Federal involvement I understand that it's more of their projection and anger that children are not being indoctrinated with their ideological and political agenda and not that they are actually being indoctrinated with another.

You get the same stuff from psychoti lefties as you do hardcore righties. The zero tolerances policies for example. Bu owards your statement about having bad teachers, I've had a few. My college math professor couldn't teach me a daned ting, but I learned more algebra in BIOLOGY AND METALLURGY. From pretty right winged people too. The poblem of political association isn't really apparent until you get to admin. School administrations are where most of the money gets spent, and subsequently wasted. Cut that out (not entirely mind you) and you have a more effeciant system

 

[Alias]

And the money is rarely spent on teacher's salaries or on textbooks.

Taken over by Marxists? Is that what you really think is the problems?

You don't like that we are not #1 in educating our children, but you want qualified teachers to be removed, not because they are bad teachers, but because of what they do at home in the privacy of their home?

You don't like that we are not #1 in educating our children, but you bitch about the system needing money. Ever really look at what teachers make?

Its not about what they do at home. Every week there is a story in the media about some homo Marxist teacher overstepping their bounds in education. We need to get the Federal govt out of the education business. We never had a Department of Education in the Fed until 1979 and we did a hell of a lot better than we are now.

Yes, I've seen what teachers make. They do quite well when you consider their wages, benefits, retirement, health care, time off, etc. Peddle that crap somewhere else.

 

[WinterBorn]

Its not about what they do at home. Every week there is a story in the media about some homo Marxist teacher overstepping their bounds in education. We need to get the Federal govt out of the education business. We never had a Department of Education in the Fed until 1979 and we did a hell of a lot better than we are now.

Yes, I've seen what teachers make. They do quite well when you consider their wages, benefits, retirement, health care, time off, etc. Peddle that crap somewhere else.

They do quite well? Look at the salaries of other people with college degrees and 10+ years in a profession and you will laugh.

Perhaps they do well when compared to a high school dropout with no skills, but no they are not "doing well" compared to most college educated professionals.


Every week there is a story about teachers overstepping the bounds of what YOU think is acceptable. But considering the tens of thousands of teachers busting their ass to educate our kids, one or two a week is a paltry number.

This is not about perverts. This is about you wanting the gov't to fund a public education system as if it were a baptist school.

 

[Alias]

They do quite well? Look at the salaries of other people with college degrees and 10+ years in a profession and you will laugh.

Perhaps they do well when compared to a high school dropout with no skills, but no they are not "doing well" compared to most college educated professionals.


Every week there is a story about teachers overstepping the bounds of what YOU think is acceptable. But considering the tens of thousands of teachers busting their ass to educate our kids, one or two a week is a paltry number.

This is not about perverts. This is about you wanting the gov't to fund a public education system as if it were a baptist school.

Bullshit. When you take in paid holidays, health care, pension, teachers are doing quite well for the number of days they actually work. No one is being forced to go into teaching. No one is forced to do anything in this country except by your damn corrupt unions which force employeeds to join and then forces them to pay dues which you turn over to the Democrat party to fund your candidates campaign chest with tax dollars paid for salaries. Nice game.

The govt doesn't fund anything unless it is with OUR money. It's OUR govt also. We want the Fed out of the education business. Bust the unions and get control of education back to the states and local communities.

When a teacher brings their political agenda into the classroom, yes, I find that unacceptable and so do millions of other Americans. When your pals teach our children that homosexuality is normal and people are born that way, then you are lying and that should not be taught in our public education system with our tax dollars. Build and fund your own damn schools and teach your own kids like you've forced Christians to do. We're taking our govt back.

 

[WinterBorn]

Bullshit. When you take in paid holidays, health care, pension, teachers are doing quite well for the number of days they actually work. No one is being forced to go into teaching. No one is forced to do anything in this country except by your damn corrupt unions which force employeeds to join and then forces them to pay dues which you turn over to the Democrat party to fund your candidates campaign chest with tax dollars paid for salaries. Nice game.

The govt doesn't fund anything unless it is with OUR money. It's OUR govt also. We want the Fed out of the education business. Bust the unions and get control of education back to the states and local communities.

When a teacher brings their political agenda into the classroom, yes, I find that unacceptable and so do millions of other Americans.

And for the days they do not work? They are not taking summers off for fun. Their mortgage, the power bill, and the car payment do not take the summer off.

But this is not about unions and gov't interference. You have stated several times that you want gays out of the classroom. You didn't specify only those gays promoting a political agenda.

You want every homosexual banned from teaching because of their sexual orientation. Now who is bringing a political agenda into schools? And what do we call this? The word is "Hypocritical".

 

[Alias]

And for the days they do not work? They are not taking summers off for fun. Their mortgage, the power bill, and the car payment do not take the summer off.

But this is not about unions and gov't interference. You have stated several times that you want gays out of the classroom. You didn't specify only those gays promoting a political agenda.

You want every homosexual banned from teaching because of their sexual orientation. Now who is bringing a political agenda into schools? And what do we call this? The word is "Hypocritical".

What they do outside of the classrom is their business. What they do in the classroom is MY busines. If they decide to be an open homosexual and teach children that homosexuality is normal and people are born that way then they have to find other work. If they can't keep their personal business out of their job then they have to go. Children are too valuable to be used in your social experiment.

 

[WinterBorn]

What they do outside of the classrom is their business. What they do in the classroom is MY busines. If they decide to be an open homosexual and teach children that homosexuality is normal and people are born that way then they have to find other work. If they can't keep their personal business out of their job then they have to go. Children are too valuable to be used in your social experiment.

Oh, so now its ok for homosexuals to teach as long as they don't teach that homosexuality is normal? But a gay math teacher is ok?

Because that is certainly not what you said earlier.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

That's an example. I honestly think the quality of our education has gone downhill drastically. The teacher's unions keep asking for more money for "the children", and our nation keeps falling behind other nations. The USA should have the best education system in the world. It's been taken over by Marxists and they need to be removed.

But unless you have something that would show that the math teachers were homosexuals, you have no reason to see homosexual teachers removed or banned.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Its not about what they do at home. Every week there is a story in the media about some homo Marxist teacher overstepping their bounds in education. We need to get the Federal govt out of the education business. We never had a Department of Education in the Fed until 1979 and we did a hell of a lot better than we are now.

Yes, I've seen what teachers make. They do quite well when you consider their wages, benefits, retirement, health care, time off, etc. Peddle that crap somewhere else.

Every week, huh!!
Care to post a few of those media stories, so that they can be judged?

 

[USFREEDOM911]

What they do outside of the classrom is their business. What they do in the classroom is MY busines. If they decide to be an open homosexual and teach children that homosexuality is normal and people are born that way then they have to find other work. If they can't keep their personal business out of their job then they have to go. Children are too valuable to be used in your social experiment.

I hope you are aware that teachers teach what the school board and the Administrators decide is to be taught.
What if it's a heterosexual teacher, in sex ed, teaching that homosexuality is acceptable?

 

[The Dude]

Teachers are paid dog shit. Failias must be poor.

 

[Alias]

Oh, so now its ok for homosexuals to teach as long as they don't teach that homosexuality is normal? But a gay math teacher is ok?

Because that is certainly not what you said earlier.

Allow me to make myself perfectly clear. Teachers are to keep their personal life out of the classroom, religion, sex life, personal political views, etc. Would you agree to that?

 

[Alias]

I hope you are aware that teachers teach what the school board and the Administrators decide is to be taught.
What if it's a heterosexual teacher, in sex ed, teaching that homosexuality is acceptable?

That is wrong and should not be allowed. Teachers in the classroom should keep their sexual lives, politics, and religious beliefs outside the classroom.