Get The Feds The Hell Out of Our Education System.

It's the truth. We have young people walking around who can't make change for a $20 without a machine telling us that gays are born that way and they are as normal as heteros.

Its funny, the scientific community cannot agree for certain that homosexuality is something that they are born with or something that develops due to environmental factors. But you, with no scientific background, are claiming to know for sure that it is a choice?

Just as an FYI, there are also people with advanced degrees who certainly can make change for a $20, who believe gays are born that way. And I know plenty of gays who are more normal than some straight folks. But "normal" is not something that I see as particularly attractive, at least not in all facets of life.

What you want is obedient sheep who follow and do as they are told.
 
I don't believe in mistreating anyone. However, sexual perverts should not be allowed to teach children.

Ok, so now it is sexual perverts. And who gets to determine who is a sexual pervert? Because the APA and the AMA do not consider homosexuals to be sexual perverts.

What about teachers who watch porn? What about teachers who are wife-swappers? What about teachers who also like to role play and dress up in leather, ect ect ect??

Do you want all of them fired too?
 
Was Failias born the way he is, or has he had to work at it?
 
It's the truth. We have young people walking around who can't make change for a $20 without a machine telling us that gays are born that way and they are as normal as heteros.

I wouldn't know the ins and outs of making change, since it's never been a job duty of mine, but the humor was found in you thinking WB was a part of 'this generation'.
 
By Debra Goldschmidt, CNN In America

(CNN) - In 10th grade English at Los Angeles’ Grover Cleveland High School, Danielle Taklender's students read the book "Luna" by Julie Anne Peters. It's a story about a transgender teen.

Taklender has been teaching the book for seven years without any fanfare or push back. It’s getting noticed now as her school district takes the lead in developing a plan to comply with the first state law mandating lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender history and social science curricula. The California law, which takes effect in January, stops short of dictating how schools are to comply and leaves that up to the districts and schools themselves to figure out.

Taklender uses "Luna" to expose students to new vocabulary and different ways of thinking about pronouns. The students discuss gender identity versus sexual orientation, as well as gender roles in literature. Taklender said she teaches this book the same way she teaches every other book.

She says the only negative feedback she has run into was a parent who once requested an alternate assignment after the class finished reading the book.

“No students ever say they changed their sexual orientation because of it,” Taklender said.

The new law, called the California Fair Education Act, also requires schools teach about the contributions of Native Americans, and people with disabilities. It also bans instructional materials that adversely reflect on a person due to their sexual orientation. The requirements are actually an expansion to the education code already in existence, which requires lesson plans to include various ethnic groups.

But it is not without controversy. Some opponents have religious objections, others say it’s part of sex education and belongs at home not in schools. Others simply don’t want this taught to their children.

So far, opposition efforts to repeal the law, which passed last summer, have failed. There are currently at least five initiative measures awaiting review by the attorney general that could make their way on the ballot for next year's election, but it’s too late to stop the law that takes effect next month. If any of the ballot measures pass, they will undo the curriculum that is already in place.

Although individual teachers, like Taklender, have innovated LGBT studies, there aren’t any system-wide models for districts to duplicate, said Jill Marcellus, a spokeswoman for the Gay-Straight Alliance Network.

The Gay, Lesbian & Straight Education Network’s 2009 National School Climate Survey found that about 13% of students were taught in a positive way about lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender people in any of their classes.

Scott Hirschfeld, director of curriculum at the Anti-Defamation League, said kids can go from kindergarten through 12th grade without ever learning about an LGBT person.

“They are really getting an incomplete history,” he said. “The reality is that in most schools this is not a standard part of curriculum.”

In California, many schools have taken a wait-and-see approach, but not the Los Angeles Unified School District. In September, they set a 60-day deadline to develop a new curriculum. This was added to a resolution for affirmation of the district's anti-bullying measures to protect lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people.

The change isn’t much different than in 2004, when the districts had to update health materials to address gender and sexuality, said Judy Chiasson, program coordinator for Los Angeles Unified School District’s Office of Human Relations, Diversity and Equity. At the time, the district had to create its own material, she said, because there wasn't anything similar out there.

The district has reviewed what is already working in some of its classrooms. Educators have also looked at materials by groups including the Anti-Defamation League, the Southern Poverty Law Center, University of California Los Angeles and University of Southern California. Those materials are the basis of a draft implementation plan for Los Angeles schools that is currently under review by the district Superintendent, a spokeswoman said.

In the meantime, at Downtown Magnets High School in Los Angeles, Daniel Jocz's eleventh grade history students continue to discuss lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender issues. The subject has been part of Jocz's lesson plans since he started teaching seven years ago. Some days, that means a discussion about language: the negative use of the word 'gay' or using 'guys' to describe women. His students will often compare and contrast the use of these words with racial slurs.

The students have also looked at case studies that compare the 1955 murder of 14-year-old African-American Emmett Till in Mississippi with the 1998 murder of gay Wyoming college student, Matthew Shepard.

"There are parallels between the gay situation and the civil rights movement,” Jocz said. "If you don't include it as part of the narrative, you are ignoring it. You have to acknowledge it.”

Every generation has altered the way history is taught in schools, New York University history and education Professor Jonathan Zimmerman said. In the 1920s, it was the Irish, in the 1950s and 1960s, it was African-Americans and in the 1970s, it was Latinos.

“There was a time when history books only had white guys,” Zimmerman said. “Over time, successive groups fought to have their story become part of the main story.”

Adding lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender studies is no different, he said. But schools must be careful not to just celebrate the group - they need to address tough questions and do some hard thinking. For example, he said, sending soldiers to fight for freedom for others while denying gay freedom in the military.

“We need to think about why we’re including them and what the purpose of these stories is in the first place,” Zimmerman said.

Which is why schools are looking at Taklender’s English class and Jocz’s history class. They are still trying to learn how this generation’s history will be taught.

Taklender and Jocz say they are just doing their jobs.

"Even though I knew it was revolutionary,” Taklender said, “I didn't think it was a big deal."

http://inamerica.blogs.cnn.com/2011...-classrooms-as-state-mandate-looms/?hpt=hp_c1
I heard the same fucking lame arguments by lame assed bigots like you about "To Kill a Mockingbird." when I was a kid.

You know.....this harkens back to what I say is the fatal failing of those on the far right, like you. You're all for freedom and liberty until someone actually practices them.
 
Why is this thread entitled "Get The Feds The Hell Out of Our Education System"?

The article is about the State of California's Fair Education Act.

This has nothing to do with the federal government. :(
Ironic that the only persons attention that has failed is Failias! LOL
 
Its funny, the scientific community cannot agree for certain that homosexuality is something that they are born with or something that develops due to environmental factors. But you, with no scientific background, are claiming to know for sure that it is a choice?

Just as an FYI, there are also people with advanced degrees who certainly can make change for a $20, who believe gays are born that way. And I know plenty of gays who are more normal than some straight folks. But "normal" is not something that I see as particularly attractive, at least not in all facets of life.

What you want is obedient sheep who follow and do as they are told.
That's not actually a correct assesment Winter. The Scientific communities consensus is that all sexuality is normal, innate and inborn but that sexual preferences and behavior patterns are learned. That is amply demonstrated in nature and not just in humans.
 
I heard the same fucking lame arguments by lame assed bigots like you about "To Kill a Mockingbird." when I was a kid.

You know.....this harkens back to what I say is the fatal failing of those on the far right, like you. You're all for freedom and liberty until someone actually practices them.

Oh, it is still my favorite book and movie, it is what heavily great influence on my life, my being an activist for justice and equality.
 
Oh, is that a funny as fuck statement.

Failing to indoctrinate with conservative ideology - indoctrination. Conservatives live in a value loaded world, where it's not acceptable for people to have different views on things. Only describing things without giving a conservative opinion on them and supporting a conservative value system is a fundamental transmutation of reality, since the world revolves around them.

I know I have advised against such broad posts in the past, but I don't really believe it, so whatever.
 
Why is this thread entitled "Get The Feds The Hell Out of Our Education System"?

The article is about the State of California's Fair Education Act.

This has nothing to do with the federal government. :(

I agree with what you posted. I also agree with the title, though it has 0 to do with the post. ;) This does, however. It was written at a time when the feds were writing and passing budgets though, so the problem certainly isn't a one party one:

http://www2.ed.gov/about/overview/fed/10facts/index.html

Gist is that fed involvement, meaning % of budgets for education continues to grow, rapidly. Funds are available as long as the districts and/or states depending on funding, agree to the mandates.
 
I don't believe in mistreating anyone. However, sexual perverts should not be allowed to teach children.

That's why we have background checks. They're to remove the sexual perverts; but then gays are listed as perverts and are allowed.

What was your complaint again?
 
As I was sitting here with my morning coffee, I got to thinking about this "indoctrination" thing.

It seems that hardcore rightwingers fear any "indoctrination" that comes from another group, but are perfectly fine with their own bunch doing it.
 
Dude....who you trying to kid....you're an MBA.....we know that means you bribed the English prof! ;)
I'm more lucky than good, I graduated hs early and took a couple classes at a community college where anyone who could write a paragraph was considered way above average. Lack of competition.
 
I'm more lucky than good, I graduated hs early and took a couple classes at a community college where anyone who could write a paragraph was considered way above average. Lack of competition.
I graduated early too. Instead of going to juco I moved out of my parents home and shacked up with a cougar. Learned a lot more then you did! ;)
 
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