I doubt that this story is even reported in the US

Return of Dune said:
Wrong. YOU are talking currently (for whatever reason). The rest of us are talking generaly.
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We have 1,000 foreign bases. Military bases are the new methods instead of colonization. We are using our military presence to influence policy around the world. It staggers me that intelligent people are in denial that we are a militarized Empire.
 
Superfreak said:
No, they were not. The UK was the owner of the land. The UK is the one that forced them out. The UK is the one that paid the families they removed.

Your trying to associate the US with the actions of the UK is sad.
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I'd love to see your argument for why the CIA helped to oust Allende from power and allowed that butcher Pinochet to gain power.
 
Damocles said:
People like you predicted the US and the USSR would "lock horns" at some point as well...
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Aoxomoxoa said:
They very nearly did on several occasions, if nothing else we have to thank Kennedy from stopping that megalomaniac Curtis Le May from bombing nuclear sites in Cuba. If that had happened then I very much doubt we would even be having this conversation now.
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and libbies on this board whine about my 'lawyer' words......when then know i'm a meter maid

LOL
 
Rana said:
We have 1,000 foreign bases. Military bases are the new methods instead of colonization. We are using our military presence to influence policy around the world. It staggers me that intelligent people are in denial that we are a militarized Empire.
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http://siadapp.dmdc.osd.mil/personnel/MILITARY/history/hst1009.pdf

There you go.... while I have complete respect for our military and their abilities, do you honestly expect us to believe that the vast majority of those bases with a dozen or two (or less) military personnel are dramatically influencing the countries they are in?

I would love to see how many of them are simply working at the embassies in those countries.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
I'd love to see your argument for why the CIA helped to oust Allende from power and allowed that butcher Pinochet to gain power.
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The CIA certainly provided support to Pinochet after the coup. Pinochet had control of the military. He didn't need our help to oust Allende. Obviously we were working against the interests of the communist movement in Chile and tried to oust Allende a few years prior. That said, I think our major sin in Chile was assisting Pinochet and supporting him with weapons after the coup. But again.... calling us Imperialistic today for something that happened almost 40 years ago?

Do you consider the UK to still be imperialistic in nature too? Perhaps you still think the Ottoman empire is alive and well too?
 
Superfreak said:
http://siadapp.dmdc.osd.mil/personnel/MILITARY/history/hst1009.pdf

There you go.... while I have complete respect for our military and their abilities, do you honestly expect us to believe that the vast majority of those bases with a dozen or two (or less) military personnel are dramatically influencing the countries they are in?

I would love to see how many of them are simply working at the embassies in those countries.
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I would, too. Because if they're simply working in an office building there's no need for all the bases, camps, forts, stations, fleets, etc.
 
christiefan915 said:
I would, too. Because if they're simply working in an office building there's no need for all the bases, camps, forts, stations, fleets, etc.
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Do you really believe we have 'bases/forts/camps' etc... in all of those countries? Or could it be that they are living on the host countries bases, but they 'count' as a 'base' for the US? I am not a vet, so I would be curious to hear from those that served as to what they know on this issue.
 
Superfreak said:
The CIA certainly provided support to Pinochet after the coup. Pinochet had control of the military. He didn't need our help to oust Allende. Obviously we were working against the interests of the communist movement in Chile and tried to oust Allende a few years prior. That said, I think our major sin in Chile was assisting Pinochet and supporting him with weapons after the coup. But again.... calling us Imperialistic today for something that happened almost 40 years ago?

Do you consider the UK to still be imperialistic in nature too? Perhaps you still think the Ottoman empire is alive and well too?
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Of course Britain used to be imperialistic, having an empire means being just that. We don't deny it yet somehow you guys can't bring yourselves to admit likewise.

I think that you are wrong about the CIA not interfering before the coup and so does the CIA for that matter.

  • In April 1962, the “5412 Panel Special Group”—a sub-cabinet body charged with reviewing proposed covert actions—approved a proposal to carry out a program of covert financial assistance to the Christian Democratic Party (PDC) to support the 1964 Presidential candidacy of Eduardo Frei.
  • Also in 1962, the CIA began supporting a civic action group that undertook various propaganda activities, including distributing posters and leaflets.
  • In December 1963, the 5412 Group agreed to provide a one-time payment to the Democratic Front, a coalition of three moderate to conservative parties, in support of the Front’s Presidential campaign.
  • In April 1964, the 5412 Group approved a propaganda and political action program for the upcoming September 1964 Presidential election.
  • In May 1964, following the dissolution of the Democratic Front, the “303 Committee,” successor to the 5412 Group, agreed to give the Radical Party additional covert assistance.
  • In February 1965, the 303 Committee approved a proposal to give covert assistance to selected candidates in upcoming Congressional elections.
  • In 1967, the CIA set up a propaganda mechanism for making placements in radio and news media.
  • In July 1968, the 303 Committee approved a political action program to support individual moderate candidates running in the 1969 Congressional elections.
  • As a result of 1968 propaganda activities, in 1969 the “40 Committee” (successor to the 303 Committee) approved the establishment of a propaganda workshop.
  • In the runup to the 1970 Presidential elections, the 40 Committee directed CIA to carry out “spoiling operations” to prevent an Allende victory.
  • As part of a “Track I” strategy to block Allende from taking office after the 4 September election, CIA sought to influence a Congressional run-off vote required by the Constitution because Allende did not win an absolute majority.
  • As part of a “Track II” strategy, CIA was directed to seek to instigate a coup to prevent Allende from taking office (see discussion below).
  • While Allende was in office, the 40 Committee approved the redirection of “Track I” operations that—combined with a renewed effort to support the PDC in 1971 and a project to provide support to the National Party and Democratic Radical Party in 1972—funneled millions of dollars to strengthen opposition political parties. CIA also provided assistance to militant right-wing groups to undermine the President and create a tense environment.
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https://www.cia.gov/library/reports/general-reports-1/chile/index.html
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
Of course Britain used to be imperialistic, having an empire means being just that. We don't deny it yet somehow you guys can't bring yourselves to admit likewise.

I think that you are wrong about the CIA not interfering before the coup and so does the CIA for that matter.
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Do us both a favor and actually READ what I write.

I stated CLEARLY that we tried to take out Allende prior to Pinochet's coup.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
I think you find that not many HK people like living under the Chinese but they don't have much choice.
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Most HK people dont give a sh1t as long as they are left alone. Beijing does not interfere in the lives of most people. Indeed it could be said that economically they feel much better than the rest of the world and that is largely because of beijing.
I know which bank I'd prefer to have shares in.
 
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