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Sssssoooooo...........................I Told You So......

ClimateGate 2.0: 5,000 New E-mails Confirm Pattern of Deception and Collusion by Alarmists


Almost exactly two years since damning email messages were released from Great Britain's University of East Anglia showing a pattern of deception and collusion between scientists involved in spreading the global warming myth, a new batch of such correspondence has emerged that seems destined to get as little press coverage as the original ClimateGate scandal did in November 2009.

http://nation.foxnews.com/global-wa...-alarmists?cmpid=NL_FiredUpFoxNation_20111124
 
bravo said:
Sssssoooooo...........................I Told You So......

ClimateGate 2.0: 5,000 New E-mails Confirm Pattern of Deception and Collusion by Alarmists


Almost exactly two years since damning email messages were released from Great Britain's University of East Anglia showing a pattern of deception and collusion between scientists involved in spreading the global warming myth, a new batch of such correspondence has emerged that seems destined to get as little press coverage as the original ClimateGate scandal did in November 2009.

http://nation.foxnews.com/global-wa...-alarmists?cmpid=NL_FiredUpFoxNation_20111124
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Your problem is that you have chosen to drool over information that is only partly relevant.
I can show you evidence that some ships sink. Can we therefore say that ships, by their nature, are dangerous and should never be used?
Fact: The climate of the planet is changing.
Supposition: Because there are now more people on the planet then the people are the cause of the change.
Supposition: Climate change is the same as global warming.
Fact: There are enough people analysing climate data in the hope that we will have a greater understanding of the climate and the causes and effects of change.
 
Lowaicue said:
Your problem is that you have chosen to drool over information that is only partly relevant.
I can show you evidence that some ships sink. Can we therefore say that ships, by their nature, are dangerous and should never be used?
Fact: The climate of the planet is changing.
Supposition: Because there are now more people on the planet then the people are the cause of the change.
Supposition: Climate change is the same as global warming.
Fact: There are enough people analysing climate data in the hope that we will have a greater understanding of the climate and the causes and effects of change.
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Funny moron....you gotta change the subject, spin the story, to save face ?.....duh....
I can show you evidence that shit stinks, but you shouldn't let that stop you from taking a crap......

Of course the climate of the planet is changing.....it always has and always will....No one ever claimed otherwise......

The planet will freeze and and planet will warm....it has for millennium....whats your point......we are learning something about the subject every day......

The effects are obvious.......evidence of past changes are everywhere.......the effect on the those alive at the time will be to adapt as they

always have and those that fail to adapt will perish.....its science, but it ain't rocket science........


And incidentally.....ships and the ocean ARE dangerous by their nature......they always have been and always will be to some degree......so is fire, so is speed, so is a lot of

things, but you can use them, have a ball..........

The point is.....we will not accept lies from asshole liberals like AlGore and his posse of faux scientists with nothing but a liberal political agenda as their goal...
 
bravo said:
Funny moron....you gotta change the subject, spin the story, to save face ?.....duh....
I can show you evidence that shit stinks, but you shouldn't let that stop you from taking a crap......

Of course the climate of the planet is changing.....it always has and always will....No one ever claimed otherwise......

The planet will freeze and and planet will warm....it has for millennium....whats your point......we are learning something about the subject every day......

The effects are obvious.......evidence of past changes are everywhere.......the effect on the those alive at the time will be to adapt as they

always have and those that fail to adapt will perish.....its science, but it ain't rocket science........


And incidentally.....ships and the ocean ARE dangerous by their nature......they always have been and always will be to some degree......so is fire, so is speed, so is a lot of

things, but you can use them, have a ball..........

The point is.....we will not accept lies from asshole liberals like AlGore and his posse of faux scientists with nothing but a liberal political agenda as their goal...
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I should have thought my point was fairly obvious. You continue to bang away on a drum that is no longer in the band.
The point that you, I and everyone should be addressing is this: IF (big if), IF human activity is changing the climate to what extent can that change, in particular, be minimised - IF, indeed, we wish to minimise it.
I doubt that your little Mr. Gore is still thumping his tub about global warming, if he has any sense, that is.
 
Lowaicue said:
I should have thought my point was fairly obvious. You continue to bang away on a drum that is no longer in the band.
The point that you, I and everyone should be addressing is this: IF (big if), IF human activity is changing the climate to what extent can that change, in particular, be minimised - IF, indeed, we wish to minimise it.
I doubt that your little Mr. Gore is still thumping his tub about global warming, if he has any sense, that is.
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And your point is pointless......if, if, if.....if the Queen had balls she'd be the King.....

Until there is definitive proof, its stupid to waste time, money and effort on an imaginary problem.....and Gore is still making money from the bullshit hes peddling with idiots like Obama wasting taxpayers money on alternate energy schemes when oil and gas are abundant resources yet to be used.......
Hes a scam artist, rivaling Michael Moore and Bernie Madoff....
 
bravo said:
And your point is pointless......if, if, if.....if the Queen had balls she'd be the King.....

Until there is definitive proof, its stupid to waste time, money and effort on an imaginary problem.....and Gore is still making money from the bullshit hes peddling with idiots like Obama wasting taxpayers money on alternate energy schemes when oil and gas are abundant resources yet to be used.......
Hes a scam artist, rivaling Michael Moore and Bernie Madoff....
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Just because one little American keeps banging his drum (to maintain a now tired metaphor) doesnt mean that all Americans march in step. You might as well argue with Theophilus T Moonbeam who says the world is flat.

I don't know who else is obsessed by this Gore chap but he disappeared from our radar many years ago.

Let me re-iterate, perhaps even clarify, my points.
1. There is climate change.
2. Climate change may be due in part to man's activities.
3. The earth's climate has always been changing. What worries scientists is the rate at which it is changing.
4. We all live with the responsibility to do our best for the survival of the planet and all its comforts.
5. By trying to make an argument where none exists you are more likely to treat the whole subject with scorn and not play your part in the intelligent husbandry of this spinning rock.

Suggestion.
Shut up and find another boat to row.
 
bravo said:
And your point is pointless......if, if, if.....if the Queen had balls she'd be the King.....

Until there is definitive proof, its stupid to waste time, money and effort on an imaginary problem.....and Gore is still making money from the bullshit hes peddling with idiots like Obama wasting taxpayers money on alternate energy schemes when oil and gas are abundant resources yet to be used.......
Hes a scam artist, rivaling Michael Moore and Bernie Madoff....
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Oil has until about mid-century. And our dependence on it also affects our national security & economy.

There are loads of good reasons to aggressively pursue renewable energy.
 
Lowaicue said:
Just because one little American keeps banging his drum (to maintain a now tired metaphor) doesnt mean that all Americans march in step. You might as well argue with Theophilus T Moonbeam who says the world is flat.

I don't know who else is obsessed by this Gore chap but he disappeared from our radar many years ago.

Let me re-iterate, perhaps even clarify, my points.
1. There is climate change.
2. Climate change may be due in part to man's activities.
3. The earth's climate has always been changing. What worries scientists is the rate at which it is changing.
4. We all live with the responsibility to do our best for the survival of the planet and all its comforts.
5. By trying to make an argument where none exists you are more likely to treat the whole subject with scorn and not play your part in the intelligent husbandry of this spinning rock.

Suggestion.
Shut up and find another boat to row.
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No one is denying there is climate change. To deny that would be to deny intelligent science. There has always been climate change. We've had warming and cooling, etc, etc, etc for millions of years. There was warming and cooling even before man was on the scene. Big deal. Duh!!
 
Onceler said:
Oil has until about mid-century. And our dependence on it also affects our national security & economy.

There are loads of good reasons to aggressively pursue renewable energy.
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There should be much more investment in tidal and geothermal energy, they are far more reliable than wind and solar energy.
 
Onceler said:
Oil has until about mid-century. And our dependence on it also affects our national security & economy.

There are loads of good reasons to aggressively pursue renewable energy.
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Midcentury ? 2050 ?.....2060 ?.....You better his under your bed stock up on noodle soup...

My estimate is ...oil has about another 1000 years....
 
bravo said:
Midcentury ? 2050 ?.....2060 ?.....You better his under your bed stock up on noodle soup...

My estimate is ...oil has about another 1000 years....
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LOL - and what are you basing that on?

Anything?

You spelled "hide" incorrectly, btw.
 
I think that we are naive to not prepare our ourselves for fossil fuel depletion to the degree that we become victims of a lack of foresight. That said, I also think it naive to claim we WILL be depleted by mid century- the date does continue to get pushed back. One thing is for certain, government, is not the solution to the problem- We cannot ween ourselves without a sustainable and economically viable alternative that will come from free market innovators- yes, those greedy bastards that want to get filthy rich.

A great article
 
icedancer2theend said:
I think that we are naive to not prepare our ourselves for fossil fuel depletion to the degree that we become victims of a lack of foresight. That said, I also think it naive to claim we WILL be depleted by mid century- the date does continue to get pushed back. One thing is for certain, government, is not the solution to the problem- We cannot ween ourselves without a sustainable and economically viable alternative that will come from free market innovators- yes, those greedy bastards that want to get filthy rich.

A great article
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If one were to remove oil subsidies, green tech suddenly becomes very competitive.
 
Return of Dune said:
If one were to remove oil subsidies, green tech suddenly becomes very competitive.
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Green technology? Green technology requires the use of fossil fuels to develop it. You don't cut off the hand that feeds you. You are buying into political partisanship as the problem. Ignore the politics and the politicians who are misleading the people on the real solution.
 
icedancer2theend said:
Green technology? Green technology requires the use of fossil fuels to develop it. You don't cut off the hand that feeds you. You are buying into political partisanship as the problem. Ignore the politics and the politicians who are misleading the people on the real solution.
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No one is really suggesting we transition to green from fossil 100% tomorrow.

There are things that the gov't can do. Private investment is not independent of gov't action; investors often look to where the future is, and if they see the gov't still subsidizing an industry to a large extent, or certain regulations, or legislation designed to favor one thing over another, they will use that as a gauge.

Gov't can help incentivize green tech. And there are lots of good reasons to do it.
 
icedancer2theend said:
Green technology? Green technology requires the use of fossil fuels to develop it. You don't cut off the hand that feeds you. You are buying into political partisanship as the problem. Ignore the politics and the politicians who are misleading the people on the real solution.
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No, I was for Green Tech, long before I left the dark side. (I was a republican until well into Bush's first term).
You may need fossil fuels to initialy build green tech, but only until enough green tech is in place to sustain itself.
It is about preparing for the future before it is too late.
 
Return of Dune said:
No, I was for Green Tech, long before I left the dark side. (I was a republican until well into Bush's first term).
You may need fossil fuels to initialy build green tech, but only until enough green tech is in place to sustain itself.
It is about preparing for the future before it is too late.
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So, again, you don't bite the hand that feeds you! For all you know it WILL be the fossil fuel researchers and producers, who, will discover the next sustainable fuel/energy source. Your position with regards to subsidies is a political one, not an innovative one. That was my point in my original response to you. What you call "green" may not be the answer- the answer may be another source of fuel- or a better way to deal with shale and sand.
 
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