Capitalism is theft

[SmarterthanYou]

I don't know where the hell you got that one... Planet Ron Paul???

I can give you a list of hungry lawyers who will gladly take any case (pro-bono) where the government has clearly violated the law... shoot 'em my way!

I don't think you're living in the real world.

 

[wiseones2cents]

I notice your superior brain didn't tackle my post. The government has the right to sell or lease resources it owns, just like you and I have the right to sell or lease resources we own. What right do you have telling people they can't sell their resources? If you don't like what a politician does, write a book, campaign against them, start a petition... that's how we deal with that here. What we don't do, is run to government expecting them to fix themselves and do as we please. We also don't dismantle our entire capitalist system so you can feel good about things.

You are a fucking moron of the highest order. Without capitalism, our entire economy collapses, there are NO JOBS, and no hope for any. Are you that pathetically stupid, that you can't comprehend this? How do we gain tax revenue, if no one is making a profit?

This is where you make a GRAND error. The government is NOT a monarchy. it does NOT own the resources. We the people do!

I am getting the message out there and hopefully the proper steps will be taken to rectify this grand thievery.

Without Capitalism your economy would collpase? HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHHA WHOOOOO! That was a good one!!!!

You have just won the " I am the most stupidest fuck" award!(I like this site because I can insult people back.lol)

How do you gain revenue? By PRODUCTION/MANUFACTURING/ HARVESTING/ MINING, ECT....LIKE THEY DID IN THE OLD DAYS! That is how you gain wealth and tax revenue. Yes even in a socialist economy. Heck even under a monarchy!

Not make money out of thin air backed by nothing and inflated in capitalist America.

 

[wiseones2cents]

us messageboard. i used to be a mod there.

The war on terror board?That is the only previous board that is non-religious in nature. And even if that is the case? My wisdom and knowledge has grown many folds.

here is why you fail. I have never said that the gov has the RIGHT to sell resources, i said they do it anyway. they get away with it because of liberals like you and conservatives like DY. You crave subservience to gov. you crave having to get permission from the gov to do things. you crave the government to have power and control to prevent abuses, either not realizing or not caring that by doing so, you give the gov power to choose who wins and who loses.

You are mistaken.

I crave freedom. I crave righteousness. I crave justice.

I'm a democratic(believe in democracy)socialist and a democratic socialist is not controlled by government but by the people. And of course some power must be given to government to enforce the law.

Even in Capitalism. The FOUNDATION of capitalism is government regulation to keep greed in check. Once that is removed corruption sets in and that is what you are witnessing in America.

The problem is not the Gov. The problem is that we remain silent. I am getting the message out. They have no right selling our resources to individuals and especially not to foreigners.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

The war on terror board?That is the only previous board that is non-religious in nature. And even if that is the case? My wisdom and knowledge has grown many folds.

it's not showing up very well.

You are mistaken.

I crave freedom. I crave righteousness. I crave justice.

handing over that much power to the government (your 'we are the government' theory is shit) is not conducive to freedom, righteousness, or justice.

I'm a democratic(believe in democracy)socialist and a democratic socialist is not controlled by government but by the people. And of course some power must be given to government to enforce the law.

see the above statement. it heavily applies to this.

Even in Capitalism. The FOUNDATION of capitalism is government regulation to keep greed in check. Once that is removed corruption sets in and that is what you are witnessing in America.

I fear you may be hallucinating. I suggest emergency help.

The problem is not the Gov. The problem is that we remain silent. I am getting the message out. They have no right selling our resources to individuals and especially not to foreigners.

that's what i've been trying to tell you, yet you seem strangely intent on shifting blame to a subset of people and claiming that government wouldn't do that if it weren't for them. you must explain further how you believe this, otherwise it's just nonsensical bullshit.

 

[wiseones2cents]

it's not showing up very well.

Put me to the test. We will see at the end of our debate now wont we?

handing over that much power to the government (your 'we are the government' theory is shit) is not conducive to freedom, righteousness, or justice.

We are the government is not a theory it is not shit. The government are representatives of the people(at least the majority) and it is our job to make them accountable.

Handing what power? The power to punish unrighteousness, the power to uphold Justice, the power to ensure our "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness?

You do not know what you are talking about. Sorry.

see the above statement. it heavily applies to this.

And? When a government representative does a poor job he is not rewarded like a capitalist CEO. Governments are accountable. Corporations are not. We can vote out corrupt politicians. Not corrupt businessmen.

I fear you may be hallucinating. I suggest emergency help.

Did you use all of your 2 brain cells to come up with that lovely counter argument?lol

that's what i've been trying to tell you, yet you seem strangely intent on shifting blame to a subset of people and claiming that government wouldn't do that if it weren't for them. you must explain further how you believe this, otherwise it's just nonsensical bullshit.

All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.
Thomas Jefferson

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Put me to the test. We will see at the end of our debate now wont we?


We are the government is not a theory it is not shit. The government are representatives of the people(at least the majority) and it is our job to make them accountable.

Handing what power? The power to punish unrighteousness, the power to uphold Justice, the power to ensure our "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness?

You do not know what you are talking about. Sorry.



And? When a government representative does a poor job he is not rewarded like a capitalist CEO. Governments are accountable. Corporations are not. We can vote out corrupt politicians. Not corrupt businessmen.



Did you use all of your 2 brain cells to come up with that lovely counter argument?lol



All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.
Thomas Jefferson

i see you need to have things explained in very specific detail to you. It's quite sad that alot of you here absolutely refuse to see what's in clear text in the news.

you say the government is accountable to us, unlike CEOs or corporations, yet when a representative of ours gets in to office and is exempted from insider trading laws, it matters not that he/she gets voted out 4 years later after he's made millions of dollars and will in the future. how is that holding said representative accountable? Do you think that the representative is gonna care one single bit over losing the 165k a year salary after he's struck deals that will net him millions a year? if you do, you're simply retarded and can't be expected to understand simple logic.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

This is where you make a GRAND error. The government is NOT a monarchy. it does NOT own the resources. We the people do!

We The People (in the US) ARE the government. No one has mentioned a monarchy, if we were a monarchy, you couldn't own land unless the monarch approved, and he could confiscate whatever land he wanted without compensation, because he is the monarch. But in our country, which is NOT a monarchy, We The People established a thing called the Bill of Rights, and it includes a 4th Amendment. Therefore, we are not a monarchy, and I never said we should be.

I am getting the message out there and hopefully the proper steps will be taken to rectify this grand thievery.

And I wholeheartedly support your efforts to say what is on your mind, it is also a part of the Bill of Rights....see, in a monarchy, you might lose your head for the commentary you've displayed, and it's hard to run around like an idiot, literally chomping at the hand that feeds you, if you don't have your head.

Without Capitalism your economy would collpase? HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHHA WHOOOOO! That was a good one!!!!

Oh, it was more than "a good one" it was absolutely brilliant, as evidenced by your lack of rebuttal.

You have just won the " I am the most stupidest fuck" award!(I like this site because I can insult people back.lol)

Wow... since when did they start letting the titleholders decide who wins?

How do you gain revenue? By PRODUCTION/MANUFACTURING/ HARVESTING/ MINING, ECT....LIKE THEY DID IN THE OLD DAYS! That is how you gain wealth and tax revenue. Yes even in a socialist economy. Heck even under a monarchy!

WHAT? And engage in *gasp* EVIL CAPITALISM? In the "old days" people became multi-billionaires building a railroad across the country... is that what you mean when you loons promote this "high-speed rail" nonsense? I can tell you for a fact, it is impossible to "gain revenue" if there is no "profit." Doesn't matter what form of government. Capitalism is what I like to call, the process of separating the smart from the poor.

Not make money out of thin air backed by nothing and inflated in capitalist America.

Wait a minute... Without capitalism, how are you going to produce revenues? If people aren't selling for a profit anymore, they aren't paying tax revenues... you killed that... evil capitalism, remember? So now you have a completely dependent society waiting to be fed, clothed, schooled, housed, powdered and put to bed... and you have no way to produce the revenue to do this. We have abundant resources here, but if there is no profit to be made through capitalism, how do those resources get produced for sale? Are people going to just work and produce for free in your fantasy land?

Seems to me, the only option you have is to print more currency. But that doesn't work for long, we know this detail of history as well. The current Socialist-in-Chief is having the Fed print money as fast as the presses will run, because the socialists need to completely devalue the dollar and collapse the economy, that paves the way for Socialism to 'save the day' and the desperate will cling to anything, including giving up their freedoms to be taken care of.

 

[Airstrip One]

This would be a great thread to read through while high as a kite.

 

[wiseones2cents]

Here's the thing, this idiot lives in a world of fantasy he has created. In his world, the government just magically produces money to bestow upon the masses, and right now, it is giving it all to the rich instead of the poor. If only the mythical magical money source could be directed to the poor! This incurious moron thinks "capitalism is theft" even though it is capitalism which is generating the tax revenues which enable government to dole out monies to the poor. But he doesn't believe in that reality, he thinks money is made by the government, and they are there to give it to us, the people. I don't think I have ever had a conversation with someone this stupid. How can you educate someone this dumb?

Really? How does the government produce money in your world? Can't wait to hear this!LOL Of course they are giving it to the rich! They are all in on the scam. If they gave it to the poor too they wouldn't have their slaves to wipe their asses!

Capitalism IS theft and most of the elites have made money taking and selling resources that don't belong to them. They have raped countries like Africa, Asia, the Middle east, ect...

I think your the dumb one. The slut never thinks of herself as a slut and if you call her a slut she gets offended.LOL Yes, the truth hurts dixie!

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Really? How does the government produce money in your world? Can't wait to hear this!LOL Of course they are giving it to the rich! They are all in on the scam. If they gave it to the poor too they wouldn't have their slaves to wipe their asses!

Capitalism IS theft and most of the elites have made money taking and selling resources that don't belong to them. They have raped countries like Africa, Asia, the Middle east, ect...

I think your the dumb one. The slut never thinks of herself as a slut and if you call her a slut she gets offended.LOL Yes, the truth hurts dixie!

Do you have reading comprehension problems? The government doesn't produce money, other than printing it. YOU are the one who is opposed to capitalism, and I ask YOU... where is the revenue to come from, if we don't have capitalism? Now stammer and stutter around like the complete dumbass you are, and try to answer the question, moron... where is the money going to come from? You have avoided that detail in your brilliant plan to destroy capitalism, and so far, you have no answer. You said through production, but that requires capitalism... someone has to be paid to produce something, and why would someone pay them if they can't make a profit? Manufacturing... same as production... someone is paid to manufacture things for a profit... it requires capitalism. Mining and harvesting... same thing... someone gets paid to farm or mine, and they make a profit... if there is no profit to be made, there is no purpose in the labor. Without capitalism, your moronic bird-brain idea falls flat on it's face.

 

[wiseones2cents]

Do you have reading comprehension problems? The government doesn't produce money, other than printing it. YOU are the one who is opposed to capitalism, and I ask YOU... where is the revenue to come from, if we don't have capitalism? Now stammer and stutter around like the complete dumbass you are, and try to answer the question, moron... where is the money going to come from? You have avoided that detail in your brilliant plan to destroy capitalism, and so far, you have no answer. You said through production, but that requires capitalism... someone has to be paid to produce something, and why would someone pay them if they can't make a profit? Manufacturing... same as production... someone is paid to manufacture things for a profit... it requires capitalism. Mining and harvesting... same thing... someone gets paid to farm or mine, and they make a profit... if there is no profit to be made, there is no purpose in the labor. Without capitalism, your moronic bird-brain idea falls flat on it's face.

I read you loud a clear. Stammer and stutter? I keep answering therefore it must be YOU that has the reading impairment.

In a socialist country the revenue is generated from its resources. We mine for metals, fuel, oil, we plant crops, we manufacture, we do what the capitalists do, except without the many middle men. Basically the money will be backed by real wealth(GDP), and when we need more money? Rather then inflating our currency, we increase our GDP by doing more work, labor, mining, manufacturing, ect... And print more money to represent the real wealth.

Money inflation was a product of countries that ran out of real wealth.

Production requires capitalism????ROTFLOL HAHAHAHAHAHHHAA! FUCK THIS GUY IS STUPID!! Dixie are you one of those hillbillies that didn't pass grade 3?LOL Sounds like it!

You dont think the soviets ever produced or manufactured anything?

The Gov pays the worker, and the profit is the assets the gov gains as a result. If he pays people to mine, the profit will be the gold, Silver, Copper, Nickel, ect.... If he pays people to farm, the profit will be the crops and what he sells them for. If he pays people to manufacture, the product is the profit plus what it is sold for!

It does NOT require capitalism. The bartor system was the beginning of an economy, and it did not require capitalism. It required trade, whether you were trading something valuable, or your skill and labor for something valuable.

I think you are the bird brain(if you have any brain at all).LOL HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHA`

P.S. I think there is still night school available for special cases with a learning disability.LOL

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

I don't think you're living in the real world.

No, it's YOU who isn't living in the real world if you think government can violate the law and no one will sue them for it. This happens every fucking day.

Let's clarify what you meant... The government does shit that YOU THINK should not be legal! If that is what you had said, I would have agreed, they do a LOT of shit that SHOULDN'T be legal... but nevertheless, it IS legal. This is where elections mean something, and being diligent in holding politicians accountable. That's the world I live in, not some fucked up imaginary place where you and Ron Paul decide what's constitutional or legal based on your OPINION!

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

I read you loud a clear. Stammer and stutter? I keep answering therefore it must be YOU that has the reading impairment.

In a socialist country the revenue is generated from its resources. We mine for metals, fuel, oil, we plant crops, we manufacture, we do what the capitalists do, except without the many middle men. Basically the money will be backed by real wealth(GDP), and when we need more money? Rather then inflating our currency, we increase our GDP by doing more work, labor, mining, manufacturing, ect... And print more money to represent the real wealth.

Wait a minute... where is the money coming from if there is no capitalism? You say, "we mine resources" ...okay, WHO mines them? Are they paid to do this? Seems like some capitalistic profit would have to be realized in order to pay people to mine, farm, manufacture, etc. And what incentive is there for increased production? Not profits, that doesn't exist in your imaginary non-capitalist world. Do people just do more labor and work for free, since it will ultimately benefit everyone? Is that how it's supposed to work in your dream world?

Money inflation was a product of countries that ran out of real wealth.

No, monetary inflation is the product of countries printing money without anything to back it up.

Production requires capitalism????ROTFLOL HAHAHAHAHAHHHAA! FUCK THIS GUY IS STUPID!! Dixie are you one of those hillbillies that didn't pass grade 3?LOL Sounds like it!

Well if you want to chortle like a pinhead, go for it... you have lots of pinhead chortlers here who will eat that shit up... you didn't disprove what I said, and it's the truth. Oh, you can obtain production through enslaving people and forcing them to work... but in a free capitalist society like we have, production REQUIRES capitalism, and doesn't work without it.

You dont think the soviets ever produced or manufactured anything?

Again... you can strip everyone of freedom and enslave them to work for the state... is THAT what you think we need to do in America?

For the record... The Soviet Union's economy collapsed, after about 40 years of dismal results... IT DIDN'T WORK!

Socialism and Communism NEVER work! The reason is, there is no motivation to be productive. You earn exactly the same whether you produce just enough or go above and beyond the call... so people tend to do just enough... it's human nature. In a capitalist free enterprise model, the 'producer' is paid according to production, incentives and bonuses are awarded for increased production, and the 'producer' is motivated to produce more, to generate more profits, to gain more personal benefit.

The Gov pays the worker, and the profit is the assets the gov gains as a result. If he pays people to mine, the profit will be the gold, Silver, Copper, Nickel, ect.... If he pays people to far, the profit will be the crops and what he sells them for. If he pays people to manufacture, the product is the profit plus what it is sold for!

So the Government then becomes the "Richest 1%" and "Evil Greedy Capitalists" who control all the wealth and allow the poor to starve? Sorry, but you didn't get rid of capitalism, you just changed who gets to participate in capitalism and make profit... in your concept, individuals have no ladder to climb, no achievements to be accomplished, and no motivation to produce any more than the minimum necessary. Again, this is the reason Socialist Communism FAILS every time it has ever been tried. This is also why free market capitalism enabled a fledgling group of English colonies to become the greatest superpower ever known to mankind, in just over 200 years.

It does NOT require capitalism. The bartor system was the beginning of an economy, and it did not require capitalism. It required trade, whether you were trading something valuable, or your skill and labor for something valuable.

Barter is just a different form of capitalism. Trade of ANY kind, is capitalism.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

No, it's YOU who isn't living in the real world if you think government can violate the law and no one will sue them for it. This happens every fucking day.

Let's clarify what you meant... The government does shit that YOU THINK should not be legal! If that is what you had said, I would have agreed, they do a LOT of shit that SHOULDN'T be legal... but nevertheless, it IS legal. This is where elections mean something, and being diligent in holding politicians accountable. That's the world I live in, not some fucked up imaginary place where you and Ron Paul decide what's constitutional or legal based on your OPINION!

a better clarification would be that you're an authoritarian who swallows the gov fed propaganda that everything it does is right and if its not, the courts will apply the necessary fixes. While it sounds good in theory, doesnt happen in the real world, just your pinheaded view of the world. Franklin would still kick your stupid ass for misrepresenting him

 

[wiseones2cents]

i see you need to have things explained in very specific detail to you. It's quite sad that alot of you here absolutely refuse to see what's in clear text in the news.

you say the government is accountable to us, unlike CEOs or corporations, yet when a representative of ours gets in to office and is exempted from insider trading laws, it matters not that he/she gets voted out 4 years later after he's made millions of dollars and will in the future. how is that holding said representative accountable? Do you think that the representative is gonna care one single bit over losing the 165k a year salary after he's struck deals that will net him millions a year? if you do, you're simply retarded and can't be expected to understand simple logic.

You decided to ignore most of the debate and that's fine.

That's capitalism for you. The entire stock, market free market bull shit is all capitalism. Why do they do it? Because we allow them to get away with it. They change the laws to make what they do legal and we go along with it.

Finally the OWS protesters are DEMANDING government accountability, and I am right behind them 100%!

It is people like me that got the word out and educated the masses that started OWS! The floor needs sweeping and the time has come to clean house!

The simple logic is this. As long as you have capitalism and corporations? Corps will bribe politicians. In a socialist society, you cannot bribe yourself. You can only skim, which they do now anyways.

It is a shame you did not participate in the really large discussions on the other boards. You would have found what was said very interesting.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

You decided to ignore most of the debate and that's fine.

you wish.

That's capitalism for you. The entire stock, market free market bull shit is all capitalism. Why do they do it? Because we allow them to get away with it. They change the laws to make what they do legal and we go along with it.

Finally the OWS protesters are DEMANDING government accountability, and I am right behind them 100%!

the OWS protestors are protesting the wrong people if they are looking for gov accountability. the gov doesn't work on wall street.

It is people like me that got the word out and educated the masses that started OWS! The floor needs sweeping and the time has come to clean house!

so you're the moron that said 'lets hold the gov accountable' and walked over to wall street?

The simple logic is this. As long as you have capitalism and corporations? Corps will bribe politicians. In a socialist society, you cannot bribe yourself. You can only skim, which they do now anyways.

socialism is nothing about 'we the people'. socialist governments do everything possible to keep a two caste system, them and us.

It is a shame you did not participate in the really large discussions on the other boards. You would have found what was said very interesting.

I told you, I was a mod on the other board. In fact, out of all the mods there, I was the token liberal moderator. you might remember me from jims reign as board owner over there.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

a better clarification would be that you're an authoritarian who swallows the gov fed propaganda that everything it does is right and if its not, the courts will apply the necessary fixes. While it sounds good in theory, doesnt happen in the real world, just your pinheaded view of the world. Franklin would still kick your stupid ass for misrepresenting him

I am SO not an authoritarian! I am a realist, who lives in the reality of the universe around me. I recognize propaganda when I see it, and I have never said the government does everything right, or courts always get it right, or that things are fair and as they should be in all cases, or that the courts should or shouldn't apply necessary fixes. We live in the world we live in! For better or worse, it is the system of government we have, and it has worked for over 200 years... maybe not to perfection, but better than any other system ever devised by man. When Franklin was asked by someone, "What kind of government have you given us, Mr. Franklin?" His reply was, "A Republic, if you can keep it." Franklin was a realist too, much like me. Very pragmatic and measured in his wisdom. We live in the reality of the world around us, and our system is what we rely on because it's what we have. We don't live in a Utopian Liberal world, or a Utopian Libertarian world, things aren't the way you wish they could be or think they should be... that doesn't mean you can lay claim to reality and misrepresent it.

 

[Lowaicue]

I am SO not an authoritarian! I am a realist, who lives in the reality of the universe around me. I recognize propaganda when I see it, and I have never said the government does everything right, or courts always get it right, or that things are fair and as they should be in all cases, or that the courts should or shouldn't apply necessary fixes. We live in the world we live in! For better or worse, it is the system of government we have, and it has worked for over 200 years... maybe not to perfection, but better than any other system ever devised by man. When Franklin was asked by someone, "What kind of government have you given us, Mr. Franklin?" His reply was, "A Republic, if you can keep it." Franklin was a realist too, much like me. Very pragmatic and measured in his wisdom. We live in the reality of the world around us, and our system is what we rely on because it's what we have. We don't live in a Utopian Liberal world, or a Utopian Libertarian world, things aren't the way you wish they could be or think they should be... that doesn't mean you can lay claim to reality and misrepresent it.

Your reality is your own, and long may it remain so.

 

[Rune]

It is people like me that got the word out and educated the masses that started OWS! The floor needs sweeping and the time has come to clean house!

Please keep your claims to yourself.
The protesters are fighting an uphill battle already,
They don't need mental midgets like you setting the parameters.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Your reality is your own, and long may it remain so.

No, my reality is the reality we all live in... you live in a fantasy land that is split from reality, therefore, it appears to you that my reality is my own.

This is getting REALLY boring, morons! See... the idea on a message board is, someone posts a topic and people interject their opinions and talk about the topic. It seems you fuckwits don't comprehend how this works. You seem to think a posted thread topic means an opportunity for you to act like you are in 7th grade, and see who can come up with the most immature juvenile snipe to lob at whoever you happen to disagree with politically. Is it really that difficult to discuss and debate what you morons supposedly believe in? Apparently, it is.