Interesting read

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Captain cut and paste strikes again!

Would you prefer I offer an opinion and paraphrase an official government document or provide it verbatim Captain Emote?

 

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Probably a combination of the two. Obama doesn't have a clue when it comes to economics/business. So he is by nature reliant upon those around him and relies WAY too much on what is 'popular' or not with public opinion polls when making his decisions. Similar to how Carter initially went with Volcker's plan only to reverse course the second things started getting tough and public opinion shifted against him.

Is there a list of subjects on which the president should follow public opinion and those on which he should not? My understanding is that it was bad for Obama to force the Affordable Care Act down our throats and that he should have catered to public opposition to it. If I understand the above correctly, Obama shouldn't cater to public opinion on the economy. Interesting.

No way Obama (or anyone in DC) has the spine to do what is necessary to get the economy back on track in an election year. Which is why Obama puts forth 'ideas/plans' he knows the Reps won't go for and then blames them when they don't walk in lock step with his ideas and points to that as the reason he is inept in dealing with the economy.

The funny thing is that what is necessary to put the economy back on track would probably be massively popular. That's why the Republicans oppose it all.

 

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Is there a list of subjects on which the president should follow public opinion and those on which he should not? My understanding is that it was bad for Obama to force the Affordable Care Act down our throats and that he should have catered to public opposition to it. If I understand the above correctly, Obama shouldn't cater to public opinion on the economy. Interesting.

No, the President should not listen to public opinion polls on major policy issues. He should look at the issues from an economically viability position. He should look beyond his re-election and instead look to the long term benefits to the county. Obamacare is NOT sustainable long term. It is a feel good issue for the Dems. Yet another example of the 'promise them the world in order to keep getting elected and let it blow up on someone else down the road' mentality the left loves so much. See how well that is working in Greece? Want to retire at 50... sure... if you promise to re-elect me, I will get that for you. Want the 'government' to 'pay' for health care? Sure... just reelect me. You don't want to pay the taxes for the system? Sure, no problem, just reelect me.

The funny thing is that what is necessary to put the economy back on track would probably be massively popular. That's why the Republicans oppose it all.

No, that is precisely the level of stupidity Carter tried. Yes, the public would love for the government to promise them all sorts of 'free' stuff right now. The Dems are good at that. The problem is they are SHORT term stop gaps. They are not long term solutions. You want a 'solution' that involves little to no pain. Sorry, but that is not feasible now. Over the past 50+ years we have squandered that ability in our blatant refusal to pay down debt in the good years.

 

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Would you prefer I offer an opinion and paraphrase an official government document or provide it verbatim Captain Emote?

I prefer you state in your own words what YOU think. Not what some author thought mere DAYS after the assassination. That you would choose something written mere days after when WE have had decades of materials on the event and countless conspiracies to sort through just shows how little you care about anything more than cutting and pasting.

 

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http://nymag.com/news/frank-rich/jfk-2011-11/

While I do not agree with all of his comments, this article is well worth the read. I will let you all take a gander and then for those who take the time to read the four pages, we can discuss the merits.

(the article is on the assassination of JFK and the 'hatred' towards him at the time.... and how it relates to Obama and the atmosphere today.)

Oh, dear, several new books to add to my "need to read"

I was in the second grade at the time of his assassination. I remember my mother crying. I remember the impact on her, more than any other.

I don't think the nation is as naive as it was in the time of Kennedy, or maybe it it the fact that I am no longer as naive.

I worry about civil unrest growing and I do worry about the level of hate aimed at the President. Articles that suggest the likeness between Kennedy and Obama worry me, in that, some nut will draw a horrible conclusion.

Thanks it was a good article.

 

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Me too. He's a great writer, but I've thought his best work was behind him. I haven't read him in a while. He probably has written more of my all-time favorite books than any author though. This one sounds like something very different for him, but I think he has the talent and the knowledge to pull it off. I'm kind of excited about it now.

I have continued to read King, and this is very exciting.

 

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I have continued to read King, and this is very exciting.

The Borders near my office closed down of course, and the only other book store is way down by the mall. But i was thinking that I pass Costco on my way home and I bet they will have it. I may stop tonight. Definitely by Wednesday because depending on the weather I will probably start reading this over the four day weekend ahead. It's rare for a Republican to post something that gets you excited right? Usually they are such snooze fests. I try to avoid their threads.

 

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And actually I really don't know about the Nixon years. Or Carter. Hard to believe Ford really was capable of riling anyone up very much.[/

Ford was considered a joke, the bungling, uncoordinated President, as depicted by Chevy Chase on Saturday night live.

Carter was seen as a good man, but weak and ineffectual.

I fear that is the road Obama is going down. When your own base perceives you that way, as they did with Carter, then you are in real trouble. People like Obama personally, as they did Cartere, but lack respect for them as President.

Clinton on the other hand was considered an immoral person, but he was seen as effective in politics.

Reagan's strength was that he was able to give the perception of being a nice guy, but when necessary he could be the tough guy, too.

Twenty four hour news was just around the corner and to me, it changed a lot in politics. A lot more of the nutcases get a forum these days.

 

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I think that is part of what holds my fascination for the period. That said, I think you also have an element of copycat in the killings of RFK and MLK. Anyone hear NOT know the names Sirhan Sirhan or James Earl Ray?

I think we should never refer to assholes like this by name at least in the mainstream media. Its like those two assholes at Columbine. Their pictures and names plastered all over the news. Suddenly you have an uptick in school shootings. Not only does it glorify (to an extent) the assholes, but it also gives bad ideas to other nuts.

Those are good points.

 

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Ford was considered a joke, the bungling, uncoordinated President, as depicted by Chevy Chase on Saturday night live.

Carter was seen as a good man, but weak and ineffectual.

I fear that is the road Obama is going down. When your own base perceives you that way, as they did with Carter, then you are in real trouble. People like Obama personally, as they did Cartere, but lack respect for them as President.

Clinton on the other hand was considered an immoral person, but he was seen as effective in politics.

Reagan's strength was that he was able to give the perception of being a nice guy, but when necessary he could be the tough guy, too.

Twenty four hour news was just around the corner and to me, it changed a lot in politics. A lot more of the nutcases get a forum these days.

Yeah, it's true. I wouldn't be that surprised to wake up one day and discover that webway has a show on Fox. It has helped to empower the nuts.

 

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Oh, dear, several new books to add to my "need to read"

I was in the second grade at the time of his assassination. I remember my mother crying. I remember the impact on her, more than any other.

I don't think the nation is as naive as it was in the time of Kennedy, or maybe it it the fact that I am no longer as naive.

I worry about civil unrest growing and I do worry about the level of hate aimed at the President. Articles that suggest the likeness between Kennedy and Obama worry me, in that, some nut will draw a horrible conclusion.

Thanks it was a good article.

you are welcome.... and thanks for relating your experience with his death. THAT is what I have been referring to as what others would like to see. More of your experience and how it relates to the topics being discussed.

 

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The Borders near my office closed down of course, and the only other book store is way down by the mall. But i was thinking that I pass Costco on my way home and I bet they will have it. I may stop tonight. Definitely by Wednesday because depending on the weather I will probably start reading this over the four day weekend ahead. It's rare for a Republican to post something that gets you excited right? Usually they are such snooze fests. I try to avoid their threads.

I am like you, zzzzzzzzzzz,bored by all the back and forth, it is the same. I don't know how they do it. I grow bored with it.

 

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Yeah, it's true. I wouldn't be that surprised to wake up one day and discover that webway has a show on Fox. It has helped to empower the nuts.

I would agree, the 24 hour news cycle is a part of the problem. They want to fill the 24 with sensationalistic material that keeps people watching. I think that is why we are picking apart candidates in far greater detail than ever before and why politicians are ever more terrified to let us know what they ACTUALLY think for fear of the non stop nitpicking that will follow.

 

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Yeah, it's true. I wouldn't be that surprised to wake up one day and discover that webway has a show on Fox. It has helped to empower the nuts.

He probably does and we just don't know his real name, might be Savage or Reagan,

 

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I think I have written that Nixon totally crushed me. He did start troop withdrawals fron 'Nam, but the Watergate fiasco and the tapes. I was in high school and campaigned for him. Walked door to door handing out pamphlets, I was a true beleiver, a Young Republican. He was my eye opener, it is when I became a skeptic. I didn't take politicians at face value, until Obama, and then I got swept up in the tide.

Could I blame my illness and the chemo?

 

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I prefer you state in your own words what YOU think. Not what some author thought mere DAYS after the assassination. That you would choose something written mere days after when WE have had decades of materials on the event and countless conspiracies to sort through just shows how little you care about anything more than cutting and pasting.

Are you emoting that the memo is not authentic? WOW...the House Select Committee on Assassinations should be made aware of your emote!!!

Nicholas deBelleville Katzenbach (born January 17, 1922) is an American lawyer who served as United States Attorney General during the Lyndon B. Johnson administration. He served in the U.S. Department of Justice as Assistant Attorney General of the Office of Legal Counsel in 1961-1962 and as Deputy Attorney General from 1962 to 1965.

Role in JFK assassination investigation

A 1979 account of the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA), reported that on November 25, 1963, only 3 days after the John F. Kennedy assassination and before any formal federal investigation had been conducted, Nicholas Katzenbach, then deputy attorney general, had written a memo to presidential assistant Bill Moyers at the White House. Katzenbach's memo comes the closest of any known official document (Katzenbach's memo) to discussing a government coverup:

"The public must be satisfied that Oswald was the assassin; that he had no confederates who are still at large; and that evidence was such that he would have been convicted at trial...Speculation about Oswald's motivation ought to be cut off...Unfortunately the facts on Oswald seem about too pat—too obvious (Marxist, Cuba, Russian wife, etc.)...We need something to head off public speculation or Congressional hearings of the wrong sort."

The Committee's final report implies Katzenbach, FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover, and others were the key actors behind the creation of the Warren Commission. According to the report, Hoover told staff members on November 24, 1963 that he and Katzenbach were anxious to have "something issued so we can convince the public that Oswald is the real assassin," though the idea of a commission was initially opposed by President Johnson.

 

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I think I have written that Nixon totally crushed me. He did start troop withdrawals fron 'Nam, but the Watergate fiasco and the tapes. I was in high school and campaigned for him. Walked door to door handing out pamphlets, I was a true beleiver, a Young Republican. He was my eye opener, it is when I became a skeptic. I didn't take politicians at face value, until Obama, and then I got swept up in the tide.

Could I blame my illness and the chemo?

You went door-to-door for Nixon? If we were married and you hadn't disclosed this I would divorce you right now. All these years I never knew. Well, well, well...LOL

Yes you can blame that if you wish. I consider cancer to be a get-out-of-jail-free card for anything short of violence.

 

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Are you emoting that the memo is not authentic? WOW...the House Select Committee on Assassinations should be made aware of your emote!!!.

No, I did not question the authenticity of the memo. I pointed out the TIMING of the memo. It was written THREE days after the assassination. It is meaningless in the scope of all that has been written since on the topic. Vast conspiracies have been hashed and rehashed. Every cover up scenario been written and discussed hundreds if not thousands of times since then.

 

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You went door-to-door for Nixon? If we were married and you hadn't disclosed this I would divorce you right now. All these years I never knew. Well, well, well...LOL

Yes you can blame that if you wish. I consider cancer to be a get-out-of-jail-free card for anything short of violence.

Just when you think you know a person.

I'll share a little secret with you.... I met Clinton when he ran for governor of AR the first time. I thought he was pretty cool.... though I was just a youngin of 7. WAY to naive to see through that charlatans line of crap.

 

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Just when you think you know a person.

I'll share a little secret with you.... I met Clinton when he ran for governor of AR the first time. I thought he was pretty cool.... though I was just a youngin of 7. WAY to naive to see through that charlatans line of crap.

Awww that's adorable. I met him too! At a luncheon a big business group was giving here. It was the LIA or the ACIT I think. This was in 2003 or 2004. Before I had my own business for certain, but my brother belonged to the group and he knew how excited I'd be so he actually bought me a ticket. It was very cool.

What the heck were you doing in Arkansas at that tender age?