Ted Kennedy, Still an embarresment to the country even in death

Onceler said:
Bush himself has said he was the decider, and has talked about the decision to invade many times.

The idea that it was some inevitable thing that he had no control over after Dems "voted for war" is preposterous. Again, you are among the crowd who told us again & again that the Dems were on the "wrong side of history" after Saddam's statue fell. The fact that they were now such a huge part of the decision speaks volumes regarding how you now feel about the decision (Bush's) to invade.
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Dems voted to invade. Blah, blah, blah.
 
bravo said:
Hans Blix ........

He is not a citizen of the US and has no allegiance to the US

He is not a US Intelligence agent

He is not a CIA agent

He is not an FBI agent

He is not US military

Hans Blix is a Swedish diplomat and politician for the Liberal People's Party.....and hardly interested in what policy is in the interest of the United States.

Bush did not write the NIE of the 16 intelligence agencys that confer to give advice to the President
Bush did not manufacture the intelligence that came from the UK, or Germany or France, etc....
Bush did not force the entire UN to vote unanimously (16+ times) to condemn Saddam and his WMD...
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They were all wrong and Blix was right, but why should matter he's not even an American. :palm:
 
bravo said:
"Bush himself has said he was the decider, and has talked about the decision to invade many times."//.........exactly....

and this is why the Congress knew exactly what they were voting for when they said YES to giving Bush the Authority to use military force in Iraq....

Thanks for making that clear........

TO USE MILITARY FORCE is the classic definition of WAR.....The AUTHORITY to use it is to CONDONE, ALLOW, and PERMIT a war to take place....
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Congress voted to invade .....( bi-partisan vote )
 
Onceler said:
I think you have a strange idea of what "being schooled" means. Did you mean that you were schooling me with your apologist, history-revising nonsense?
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If you had any awareness at all, you'd be too embarrassed to keep posting.
 
bravo said:
Hans Blix ........

He is not a citizen of the US and has no allegiance to the US

He is not a US Intelligence agent

He is not a CIA agent

He is not an FBI agent

He is not US military

Hans Blix is a Swedish diplomat and politician for the Liberal People's Party.....and hardly interested in what policy is in the interest of the United States.

Bush did not write the NIE of the 16 intelligence agencys that confer to give advice to the President
Bush did not manufacture the intelligence that came from the UK, or Germany or France, etc....
Bush did not force the entire UN to vote unanimously (16+ times) to condemn Saddam and his WMD...
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But you forget.
He's BUSH and that's all that really matters to the left.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
They were all wrong and Blix was right, but why should matter he's not even an American. :palm:
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Does the fact that a US President would put more faith in the our own CIA and UK intelligence and German Intell, etc.....than in Mr. Blix ?

I don't find that odd in the least....you seem to think that NOW that we know Blix was right and our NIE conclusions were wrong means something sinister happened......

It COULD have turned out to be exactly just the opposite too.....we didn't know then what we know now.....why the fuck can't you asses put issues into the time frames that they occurred....and understand history in context.....

No one denies that the intelligence was wrong.....no one denies decisions were made on bogus intell....
It isn't the first time in our history that has occurred and it won't be the last....
 
Onceler said:
Well, since he was CIC and made the decision to invade Iraq...yeah, I guess that is what matters.
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No, that's all that matters to you.
You don't give a rats ass about anything else, except blaming Bush.
It's all you live for.
It doesn't matter to you if WMD were found or not, it doesn't matter to you that the reports were there and Clinton believed them, you don't give shit about anything but BLAMING BUSH.
 
Alias said:
A lot of Dems also decided to invade Iraq by their vote. No vote, no invasion.
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No, they didn't. Under the circumstances, the CIC is the only one who could make the actual decision to invade.

And that's just what he did. He has talked about that at length, as well. He never mentions how he sat down with Congressional Democrats to make the decision.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
No, that's all that matters to you.
You don't give a rats ass about anything else, except blaming Bush.
It's all you live for.
It doesn't matter to you if WMD were found or not, it doesn't matter to you that the reports were there and Clinton believed them, you don't give shit about anything but BLAMING BUSH.
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WMD weren't found, Clinton didn't invade Iraq. Bush did. So yeah - he's to blame.
 
Onceler said:
WMD weren't found, Clinton didn't invade Iraq. Bush did. So yeah - he's to blame.
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Since you completely avoided the rest of the presentation, it's obvious that my contenction was correct.

Since Clinton and Obama were and are the CIC, then why didn't they order the immediate withdrawl of all our troops from the ME?
 
Onceler said:
No, they didn't. Under the circumstances, the CIC is the only one who could make the actual decision to invade.

And that's just what he did. He has talked about that at length, as well. He never mentions how he sat down with Congressional Democrats to make the decision.
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Bush had authorization from congress to make the decision. That's the way it works. It takes congress and the President together. You're very sick.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Since you completely avoid the rest of the presentation, it's obvious that my contenction was correct.

Since Clinton and Obama were and are the CIC, then why didn't they order the immediate withdrawl of all our troops from the ME?
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The "rest of the presentation"? What are you talking about...what else did you "present"?

Withdrawing troops is an ENTIRELY different matter from putting them in. It's why war should be a last resort, always. If you make a mess, you have to clean it up. I never supported immediate withdrawal, and anyone w/ any knowledge of foreign policy wouldn't.
 
Alias said:
Bush can't invade without congressional approval and that is what he had thanks to a bunch of Republican and Democrat votes.
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You're trying to present it in a way that, because of the authorization to use force if necessary, he had no choice.

There were a lot of political & strategic reasons that vote went the way it did, but it certainly didn't compel Bush to do anything. He alone made the decision to invade, and it will always be his war.

Sorry 'bout that.
 
Onceler said:
The "rest of the presentation"? What are you talking about...what else did you "present"?

Withdrawing troops is an ENTIRELY different matter from putting them in. It's why war should be a last resort, always. If you make a mess, you have to clean it up. I never supported immediate withdrawal, and anyone w/ any knowledge of foreign policy wouldn't.
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Your entire respose is full of fail.

I made several points and you avoided them all, except for the one you continue to remain focused on.
As to you making an apology for Clinton and Obama, they kept the troops there; so they supported the war also.
That's why they didn't pull the troops out.
 
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