The rest of the world is leaving America behind

SmarterThanYou said:
when one does not want to surrender their home or propery and is forced to anyway, 'fair compensation' doesn't change the fact that your property was stolen from you.
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That's absurd. Some lunatic wants to hold on to property so a road has to have a curve.

What has happened to people considering the benefit of all instead of just themselves? Helping their community and being adequately compensated. What decent individual would object to that?
 
Alias said:
That's not the issue. It's the "force", dumb ass. Bootlicker.
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Some people need to be forced in order for them to get along.

Did you ever see the original movie, "The Longest Yard"? Eddie Albert, the prison warden, to Burt Reynolds, the prisoner, "To get along, you go along." :bdh: :whip: :)
 
Alias said:
You'd think that everyone would see that as common sense, but we have a few people here who just love being a bootlicker. It's their nature.
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Talking about nature some folks are just disgruntled, miserable, selfish people. Then there's the greedy, disgruntled, miserable folks who would complain about a $10,000 fair market value but would grab $100,000. The country needs a way to deal with those people and eminent domain fills the bill.
 
Damocles said:
The problem is the market value is figured after the land is either condemned through eminent domain or after the mapping clearly indicates the need for the value to drop. We had an idiotic "superslab" program that was going to go right through our area, the values of our homes dropped by half when they mapped the corridor that it was going to run through, if they were successful the value of my house when they took it would have been figured on that value, not on the pre-mapped value of my home.
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But the value of your home would have dropped if/when the highway went through so what's the difference? Let's say you refused to sell and the highway was built. Your home would have been worth 1/2 it's current value anyway unless you feel you have right to dictate how property other than yours is used and tried to prevent others from selling and the government building a highway.
 
WinterBorn said:
Fair market value? In other words, they base the price for you don't want to sell on what others got for what they wanted to sell?

What about the senior citizens that have their property stolen? They raised kids there, have grandkids visit there, and often lost their spouse there. For an 80+ year old woman, what is the "fair market value" for the house where her children learned to walk, the yard where her kids and grandkids played, or the rooms that still echo with memories of her departed husband? Do we give her and extra $10k and somehow call it even?
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While that is "tragic" we can't allow one individual to stop progress. 80 year old Grandma will be gone in the near future. Should everyone pay more (taxes) for a highway to detour around her house? What will become of that land afterwards? No one will want to live there as it's too close to the highway. Her heirs will sell it to the government and the land will either continually cost more (taxes) for upkeep or become a weed patch.
 
Eminent domain is probably the one thing in the world I'm right wing on. I am all for taxing the rich at high rates, very high. I don't mind paying higher taxes myself as part of the middle class (I'm for rescinding all of the bush tax cuts, all of em, mine too). I want Medicare for all. I want free birth control. I mean, I'm pretty left wing.

But I don't like when people take my stuff. Someone stole my ipod and my bose headphones from my car a couple of weeks ago when I went to a luncheon. I'd have no problem taking a baseball bat right to their head if I had caught them, and in fact, I would have clocked them right in the head even afterwards. And then I would have pepper sprayed their asses while they were on the ground. And kicked them a few times. I really don't like people taking my stuff. Coming to take my home? I'd definitely be willing to get pretty drastic.
 
apple0154 said:
That's absurd. Some lunatic wants to hold on to property so a road has to have a curve.

What has happened to people considering the benefit of all instead of just themselves? Helping their community and being adequately compensated. What decent individual would object to that?
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why is somebody who wants to maintain what they worked hard for, bled for, considered a lunatic for wanting to keep it? If it was for the benefit of the community, would you take your own life? the statist mentality must be crushed, otherwise there will be no more rights, only privileges for the elites.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
why is somebody who wants to maintain what they worked hard for, bled for, considered a lunatic for wanting to keep it? If it was for the benefit of the community, would you take your own life? the statist mentality must be crushed, otherwise there will be no more rights, only privileges for the elites.
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So you don't drive on interstate highways?
 
Lowaicue said:
Could it be that the real complaint involves the amount of compensation? Well, well. You live in a free country. You (they) can sit tight until the compensation is fair. You have courts that could decide on that, I'm sure. How many 'Free gun-totin' Americans' have been forcibly removed from land for which they held legal posession?
Y'know, it just occurred to me. He's STILL black and he's STILL in the Whitehouse and your economy IS improving. Well I guess you'll keep trying to skin a rabbit even when you dont have a rabbit to skin. (sorry, I know you don't have rabbits in the US, but they look a little like hares - which you do have.)
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Actually, you cannot. At some point they come and move you.

The reality is, being forced to sell is a form of theft. You can't own that Rolex watch, sell it to me for $4 NOW. With the force of the legislature behind it is a way to steal your property using the power and authority of the government.

It is the reason why eminent domain was restricted in the constitution, they wanted this to be rare and for people to be fairly compensated if it had to be done. That the SCOTUS now allows it for any whim including to give the land to a developer so they can build a privately owned mall is a travesty, but it makes it realistic to question the reality. How much private property will be stolen by the government to support your whim?

Dismissing reality and calling somebody "stupid" is pretty much your standard post, but it certainly isn't supported by the reality that surrounds the issue. While you believe that all government action is moral regardless of the action doesn't change that others understand that all power plays are a function of morality, including (if not especially) those of government.
 
Lowaicue said:
Could it be that the real complaint involves the amount of compensation? Well, well. You live in a free country. You (they) can sit tight until the compensation is fair. You have courts that could decide on that, I'm sure. How many 'Free gun-totin' Americans' have been forcibly removed from land for which they held legal posession?
Y'know, it just occurred to me. He's STILL black and he's STILL in the Whitehouse and your economy IS improving. Well I guess you'll keep trying to skin a rabbit even when you dont have a rabbit to skin. (sorry, I know you don't have rabbits in the US, but they look a little like hares - which you do have.)
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Why is it any different to Compulsory Purchase Orders? You can appeal in court but if it goes against you then you're out. This is particularly poignant now as the arguments start about the route for HS2. On the subject of rabbits, I wasn't aware that there were no rabbits in the US. Isn't Bugs Bunny a wabbit?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HS2

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbits_USA
 
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Return of Dune said:
Really?
Show me one highway built without eminent domain.
It is only irrelevant because it injures your argument.
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