The rest of the world is leaving America behind

WinterBorn said:
If an item or property is not for sale, the fact that they give some money to the victim when they steal their property does not change anything.
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You'd think that everyone would see that as common sense, but we have a few people here who just love being a bootlicker. It's their nature.
 
apple0154 said:
Aren't people compensated at market value?
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The problem is the market value is figured after the land is either condemned through eminent domain or after the mapping clearly indicates the need for the value to drop. We had an idiotic "superslab" program that was going to go right through our area, the values of our homes dropped by half when they mapped the corridor that it was going to run through, if they were successful the value of my house when they took it would have been figured on that value, not on the pre-mapped value of my home.
 
Return of Dune said:
If they were paid fair market value, there was no theft.
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Fair market value? In other words, they base the price for you don't want to sell on what others got for what they wanted to sell?

What about the senior citizens that have their property stolen? They raised kids there, have grandkids visit there, and often lost their spouse there. For an 80+ year old woman, what is the "fair market value" for the house where her children learned to walk, the yard where her kids and grandkids played, or the rooms that still echo with memories of her departed husband? Do we give her and extra $10k and somehow call it even?
 
Alias said:
Govt employing people for govt projects is not what we need. What we need is private business gowing and adding jobs that create wealth to pay off our debt. All you're doing by adding govt construction jobs is adding more debt.
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And that invalidates my other rather salient points? Where exactly did I say this would be a government owned operation? I've long advocated the return of railways to private enterprise.
 
Glorious Leader C'Thulhu said:
And that invalidates my other rather salient points? Where exactly did I say this would be a government owned operation? I've long advocated the return of railways to private enterprise.
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Then let private enterprise build it. No govt spending will be involved and there will be real wealth created to raise revenue to pay of debt.
 
Return of Dune said:
They can declare it whatever the fuck they want, but they are not the final arbiter.
Furthermore, is clear that you have never been there.
I have, multiple times, and I can assure you, it is indeed blighted.
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the state is not the final arbiter? and i've been there also, with the new cowboys stadium build. of course people there showed their greedy side and popularly voted to let the city steal peoples property. those that refused to sell got 'blighted', even though it wasn't.
 
Damocles said:
<Thought process behind the above quoted post>
Those are hard questions, I'll act like a putz, throw an insult, in no way show any logical reason to call somebody stupid because they questioned the government, then pretend I took the high ground. Maybe nobody will notice.
</Thought process behind the above quoted post>

Translation:
Crap! I'd better run fast so people don't notice that I was standing here, unable to support my position on anything or my judgment of another!
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OK. Let's start again. He suggested that your government, the government of the United States of America, the land of the free, the democracy that the world reveres (sarc) is about to steal or would sanction the 'stealing' of private land. Stealing. That means taking over, by force or persuasion for no recompense, land that has been legally purchased by a free American citizen.
Now are you saying that that is what your government does or that they will do?

And, in the unlikely event that Stalin has been re-incarnated or that in the last day or two you have been taken over by the Chinese (or the Italians, come to that) I am sure your armed citizenry would kill any government official who dared place one toe over the line.

And YOU are questioning ME? Don't make me friggin' laugh, Damo.
 
Alias said:
DUNE, INTERNET WARRIOR
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Why is this guy holding an umbrella?
 
Lowaicue said:
OK. Let's start again. He suggested that your government, the government of the United States of America, the land of the free, the democracy that the world reveres (sarc) is about to steal or would sanction the 'stealing' of private land. Stealing. That means taking over, by force or persuasion for no recompense, land that has been legally purchased by a free American citizen.
Now are you saying that that is what your government does or that they will do?
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I have pointed out that they have, and probably will again.

And, in the unlikely event that Stalin has been re-incarnated or that in the last day or two you have been taken over by the Chinese (or the Italians, come to that) I am sure your armed citizenry would kill any government official who dared place one toe over the line.

And YOU are questioning ME? Don't make me friggin' laugh, Damo.
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We don't need Stalin, apparently all we need are 5 SCOTUS judges willing to allow the government to do anything they wish, and give less than the true value of the home before they condemned it. And no, in the past nobody killed the government officials, after they had taken every avenue through the justice system they simply had to eat it.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
the state is not the final arbiter? and i've been there also, with the new cowboys stadium build. of course people there showed their greedy side and popularly voted to let the city steal peoples property. those that refused to sell got 'blighted', even though it wasn't.
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this is beyond dune's understanding
 
Damocles said:
I have pointed out that they have, and probably will again.



We don't need Stalin, apparently all we need are 5 SCOTUS judges willing to allow the government to do anything they wish, and give less than the true value of the home before they condemned it. And no, in the past nobody killed the government officials, after they had taken every avenue through the justice system they simply had to eat it.
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Could it be that the real complaint involves the amount of compensation? Well, well. You live in a free country. You (they) can sit tight until the compensation is fair. You have courts that could decide on that, I'm sure. How many 'Free gun-totin' Americans' have been forcibly removed from land for which they held legal posession?
Y'know, it just occurred to me. He's STILL black and he's STILL in the Whitehouse and your economy IS improving. Well I guess you'll keep trying to skin a rabbit even when you dont have a rabbit to skin. (sorry, I know you don't have rabbits in the US, but they look a little like hares - which you do have.)
 
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