The Modern Hitlers Children...................revisited

apple0154 said:
Here's where you're missing the point. The concern should be about the possible birth of a child, not about the pregnant woman. A child is not a "consequence" although that's how society, in the past, looked at it regarding a woman's behavior. The strange thing is society looked at children as being so special, yet, frowned upon single mothers. Society always blacklisted "bastards", yet, told us how God created children.

It doesn't take great analytical powers to see the hypocrisy.
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An unborn child most certainly is a consequence of behavior. But it is not merely a consequence, it is a human being. What society does or does not do, with regards to attitudes or aid- does not change the nature of the unborn child's humanity. 43+ million babies killed since Roe, 97% of which were for the convenience of the mother, is proof of a narcissistic society run amok. Individualizing the stories of this 97% may work to assuage the guilty conscience of such a society, but it hardly removes the ugly stain of it. Abortion has been the choice- not birth control, abstinence, or adoption in everyone of these 97%.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
it's my way of showing future parents to be more responsible as teenagers, as in don't do anything you're not ready to accept the possible consequences over.
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Once again you focus on the parents. "We'll teach them! We'll make them look after a kid!"

As I and others have said the anti-abortionist focus isn't on the child. It's on punishing the parents and using a child as punishment is one bizarre way of thinking.

We tell people not to buy pets for children who are not responsible enough to take care of them but you condone having a child in a home with irresponsible parents.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
i'm not interfering in a persons right to an abortion. what i'm doing is making sure we all know it's not done out of responsibility to prevent a childs poor life. It's done to allow a person to avoid being responsible for their own actions.
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Of course it's done out of responsibility to prevent a childs poor life. If someone doesn't want a child what kind of life is that child going to have?

There are States/places/hospitals where a person can drop off a newborn, no questions asked. The parent's responsibility ends there so what is the point of all this responsibility talk? The parent can end their responsibility immediately after the birth. However, what kind of life is that child going to have?
 
apple0154 said:
Once again you focus on the parents. "We'll teach them! We'll make them look after a kid!"

As I and others have said the anti-abortionist focus isn't on the child. It's on punishing the parents and using a child as punishment is one bizarre way of thinking.
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the liberal penchant for mistaking responsibility as punishment is nearly as wrong headed as you get. It's why kids today think they can get away with anything.

apple0154 said:
We tell people not to buy pets for children who are not responsible enough to take care of them but you condone having a child in a home with irresponsible parents.
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your misrepresentation of the facts is not worth an answer.
 
apple0154 said:
Of course it's done out of responsibility to prevent a childs poor life. If someone doesn't want a child what kind of life is that child going to have?
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then keep your legs closed, wear a condom, do anything OTHER than think you can avoid responsibility for a life YOU created.

apple0154 said:
There are States/places/hospitals where a person can drop off a newborn, no questions asked. The parent's responsibility ends there so what is the point of all this responsibility talk? The parent can end their responsibility immediately after the birth. However, what kind of life is that child going to have?
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a better life than being butchered in the womb?
 
apple0154 said:
Of course it's done out of responsibility to prevent a childs poor life. If someone doesn't want a child what kind of life is that child going to have?

There are States/places/hospitals where a person can drop off a newborn, no questions asked. The parent's responsibility ends there so what is the point of all this responsibility talk? The parent can end their responsibility immediately after the birth. However, what kind of life is that child going to have?
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Better to drill a hole in its skull and suck the brains out with a vacuum, right?
 
PostmodernProphet said:
why should they kill the unborn they have already brought into the world when it would be in the best interests of all parties to let a childless couple adopt it?........
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I suggest you do a little research on adoption prior to abortion when adoption agencies were flooded with children. There are over one million abortions yearly. Considering the need for children (farm work/free labor) has drastically decreased how many adoptions are likely to take place?

The vast majority of children would grow up in an institution having never experienced how a family functions. What kind of parent are they going to make? Kind, loving, tuck the little guy in bed at night.....? I doubt it as they would have never experienced that type of life.

There was a show on TV interviewing adults who grew up in adoption "factories". One women explained how she and all the other children would dress up on a Sunday and wait for prospective adoptive parents to arrive each hoping they would be selected for adoption and the feelings of rejection every time they weren't picked.

Like today, people preferred young children so those who weren't chosen had less and less opportunity as they grew older. If the older ones were chosen it was usually as a foster family (temporary) and used them for farm work.

Great life, huh? Spending ones youth hoping someone would want them.

(Excerpt) Are you ready to be a parent? There are tens of thousands of children in the United States foster system and many more available children worldwide. There are many children in New York who are hoping to be adopted.
(End) http://new-york.adoption.com/

Tens of thousands waiting to be adopted and you want to add one million more every year? :palm:

P.S. I like that little guy with the hand over his face. :)
 
icedancer2theend said:
An unborn child most certainly is a consequence of behavior. But it is not merely a consequence, it is a human being. What society does or does not do, with regards to attitudes or aid- does not change the nature of the unborn child's humanity. 43+ million babies killed since Roe, 97% of which were for the convenience of the mother, is proof of a narcissistic society run amok. Individualizing the stories of this 97% may work to assuage the guilty conscience of such a society, but it hardly removes the ugly stain of it. Abortion has been the choice- not birth control, abstinence, or adoption in everyone of these 97%.
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Regarding fetuses being unborn children that's such a strange term, unborn children. It's like saying people are undead corpses.

Adoption is not a choice. At least not a decent one as I noted in msg #131 responding to PostmodernProphet. As for birth control and abstinence many do try to comply but in most cases sexual activity is seldom a planned event.

Most abortions are performed on single women. Unless the woman is extremely active, picking up guys every weekend, chances are her sexual encounters are relatively few/well spaced. Rather than take a pill every day for months on the off-chance she may meet someone and have sex she probably relies on condoms and forgets to pick some up. The point being I doubt many women say to themselves, "I won't bother with birth control. I'll just get an abortion." In other words if a condom was available at that particular moment the woman would probably choose it as besides the possible emotional effects abortions are physically discomforting.
 
DamnYankee said:
That describes a procedure done by liberals to their young, and my mother was very conservative. Perhaps it is yourself that you speak of. :)
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It's funny that people think only liberals get abortions.

And wow, is that retort not clever, at all. It's the opposite of clever.
 
Onceler said:
It's funny that people think only liberals get abortions.

And wow, is that retort not clever, at all. It's the opposite of clever.
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Only those with a liberal mindset obtain abortions for anything other than health reasons. My reply was not meant to be clever, just accurate. :)
 
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