The Modern Hitlers Children...................revisited

[DamnYankee]

The strange thing about Conservatives is they espouse responsibility, yet, when it comes to children they fall woefully inadequate. If they insist women bear children then it's their responsibility to ensure those children are properly cared for.

The Conservative rants against the mandate for health insurance complaining they shouldn't be forced to pay for something, yet, have no problem trying to force an individual to bear a child which would result in the financial and emotional devotion of 18 years of their life. It's incredible how logic and common sense becomes so elusive.

I noticed that you can't dispute my previous assertion so you deflect by ranting bullshit about conservatives.

The retarded thing about you liberals is that you refuse to accept personal responsibility, and want government to take responsibility when you fuck up. If you don't want kids then use birth control or don't have sex. If you have a kid and don't want it then put it up for adoption. Don't sentence the innocent to die because you are inconvenienced. Buy your own damn health insurance don't expect me to pay for it.

 

[poet]

I noticed that you can't dispute my previous assertion so you deflect by ranting bullshit about conservatives.

The retarded thing about you liberals is that you refuse to accept personal responsibility, and want government to take responsibility when you fuck up. If you don't want kids then use birth control or don't have sex. If you have a kid and don't want it then put it up for adoption. Don't sentence the innocent to die because you are inconvenienced. Buy your own damn health insurance don't expect me to pay for it.

No, bitch...you're going to pay for it, whether you like it or not. It's called taxes. Don't pay them, and you'll have a date with the IRS.

You talk a good talk, but you have yet to walk a good walk. Personal responsibility is what you expect others to have...not yourself. You wouldn't know what it looks like.

 

[DamnYankee]

No, bitch...you're going to pay for it, whether you like it or not. It's called taxes. Don't pay them, and you'll have a date with the IRS.

You talk a good talk, but you have yet to walk a good walk. Personal responsibility is what you expect others to have...not yourself. You wouldn't know what it looks like.

Or go off grid and pay a lot less. Or out of the country like many businesses already have. Freedom to choose is the bane of your socialist policies.

 

[poet]

Or go off grid and pay a lot less. Or out of the country like many businesses already have. Freedom to choose is the bane of your socialist policies.

You overestimate your choices. LOLOLOL. Somebody is always watching. This is not 1984...it's almost 2012. Stupid bitch.

 

[DamnYankee]

You overestimate your choices. LOLOLOL. Somebody is always watching. This is not 1984...it's almost 2012. Stupid bitch.

No doubt your socialist utopia would have cameras on everyone. But for now they ain't watching very closely. Lots of folks deal in untraceable cash as well as trade labor-for-labor. And as I just said lots are doing business overseas to avoid punitive taxation in the US.

 

[poet]

No doubt your socialist utopia would have cameras on everyone. But for now they ain't watching very closely. Lots of folks deal in untraceable cash as well as trade labor-for-labor. And as I just said lots are doing business overseas to avoid punitive taxation in the US.

Are you, stupid bitch? For all your talk, I seriously doubt if you have pot to piss in, or a window to throw it out of. Folks have always been watched.....how do you think McCarthy was able to come up with his allegations of dirt in the 50's? The problem comes when you step on toes or become so flagrant as to warrant being made an example of, you insignificant flea. Try something. Try anything. I dare you. The fact that you said so, just gave you up. If they weren't watching you, they are now. LOL>

 

[DamnYankee]

Are you, stupid bitch? For all your talk, I seriously doubt if you have pot to piss in, or a window to throw it out of. Folks have always been watched.....how do you think McCarthy was able to come up with his allegations of dirt in the 50's? The problem comes when you step on toes or become so flagrant as to warrant being made an example of, you insignificant flea. Try something. Try anything. I dare you. The fact that you said so, just gave you up. If they weren't watching you, they are now. LOL>

It sounds like we have a challenge here. First you claimed that you better educated and I bested you at that. Are you now challenging me on my personal wealth?

 

[Damocles]

No, bitch...you're going to pay for it, whether you like it or not. It's called taxes. Don't pay them, and you'll have a date with the IRS.

You talk a good talk, but you have yet to walk a good walk. Personal responsibility is what you expect others to have...not yourself. You wouldn't know what it looks like.

You assume that DamnYankee is in the top 53% of those who are net payers rather than net receivers. I'm fascinated in how one can consider this the same thing as personal responsibility. If I am a net receiver, how is it me taking responsibility for my own when I am forcing others through my representatives to cover me? And if I were a Christian trying to ensure everybody is "responsible" for others and is their "brother's keeper" how does it work when 47% simply are net receivers, they don't take any responsibility for their "brother"? They aren't paying their "fair share" or taking any responsibility for their neighbor.

We are, according to the bible, all responsible for this, but we simply do not pay the bill and those we ask to pay are not representative of all of us...

I'd also wonder where in the Bible it says that you should force others to pay for your obligations to others? I don't remember Christ saying that people should be forced to take responsibility for others.

 

[poet]

You assume that DamnYankee is in the top 53% of those who are net payers rather than net receivers. I'm fascinated in how one can consider this the same thing as personal responsibility. If I am a net receiver, how is it me taking responsibility for my own when I am forcing others through my representatives to cover me? And if I were a Christian trying to ensure everybody is "responsible" for others and is their "brother's keeper" how does it work when 47% simply are net receivers, they don't take any responsibility for their "brother"? They aren't paying their "fair share" or taking any responsibility for their neighbor.

We are, according to the bible, all responsible for this, but we simply do not pay the bill and those we ask to pay are not representative of all of us...

I'd also wonder where in the Bible it says that you should force others to pay for your obligations to others? I don't remember Christ saying that people should be forced to take responsibility for others.

Really? Then you're unfamiliar with The Beatitudes, or his reiteration of "it is more blessed to give, than it is to receive"...but we only see what we want to see, right?

 

[DamnYankee]

So Poet is a 'receiver'. No surprise there.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Really? Then you're unfamiliar with The Beatitudes, or his reiteration of "it is more blessed to give, than it is to receive"...but we only see what we want to see, right?

for liberals it is MOST blessed when you can require some one else to give for you......

 

[apple0154]

I noticed that you can't dispute my previous assertion so you deflect by ranting bullshit about conservatives.

The retarded thing about you liberals is that you refuse to accept personal responsibility, and want government to take responsibility when you fuck up. If you don't want kids then use birth control or don't have sex. If you have a kid and don't want it then put it up for adoption. Don't sentence the innocent to die because you are inconvenienced. Buy your own damn health insurance don't expect me to pay for it.

Aborting a fetus is taking personal responsibility. Refusing to bring a child into the world knowing it will be neglected, knowing one can not or will not look after it properly is taking personal responsibility. Let those who believe otherwise pay for the child's medical and other necessities or mind their own damn business.

 

[Damocles]

Really? Then you're unfamiliar with The Beatitudes, or his reiteration of "it is more blessed to give, than it is to receive"...but we only see what we want to see, right?

Again, it does not say, "It is more blessed to force others to give." It speaks of your personal responsibility, not one to force others to be "holy"...

If you don't want republicans to force you to be "holy" by law, why should you be allowed to force me to be "holy" by your interpretation of a religion I don't follow?

But you only see what you want, right?

 

[Damocles]

Aborting a fetus is taking personal responsibility. Refusing to bring a child into the world knowing it will be neglected, knowing one can not or will not look after it properly is taking personal responsibility. Let those who believe otherwise pay for the child's medical and other necessities or mind their own damn business.

This is incredibly twisted.

Imagine for a moment that you aren't a person that believes that until they take a breath they aren't really human progeny and understand that progeny is still progeny even if it is in an earlier stage than birth. Now, can you give any reason why it would be okay to kill your progeny and how it would be "taking responsibility" towards them?

Say my progeny was in the toddler stage of development, would it be "taking responsibility" if I decided that I needed to perform an extremely late "abortion" on them?

 

[Bonestorm]

This is incredibly twisted.

Imagine for a moment that you aren't a person that believes that until they take a breath they aren't really human progeny and understand that progeny is still progeny even if it is in an earlier stage than birth. Now, can you give any reason why it would be okay to kill your progeny and how it would be "taking responsibility" towards them?

Say my progeny was in the toddler stage of development, would it be "taking responsibility" if I decided that I needed to perform an extremely late "abortion" on them?

A toddler and a fetus are different. Do I really need to dig up the frozen embryo thread?

 

[Damocles]

A toddler and a fetus are different. Do I really need to dig up the frozen embryo thread?

Which again didn't actually answer my question.

Let's pretend you think, like some do, that the fetus (especially at a later stage, though still prebirth) is human progeny and shouldn't be slaughtered for nebulous reasoning.

Can you, if you "believe" that it is a child, give a reason that an abortion of convenience is "okay"?

 

[Bonestorm]

Which again didn't actually answer my question.

Let's pretend you think, like some do, that the fetus (especially at a later stage, though still prebirth) is human progeny and shouldn't be slaughtered for nebulous reasoning.

Can you, if you "believe" that it is a child, give a reason that an abortion of convenience is "okay"?

I refuse to accept the premise. A fetus isn't a toddler and it's nonsense to pretend otherwise.

 

[Damocles]

I refuse to accept the premise. A fetus isn't a toddler and it's nonsense to pretend otherwise.

Is it, however, progeny? And at what point is it not "okay" to just kill them on a whim? And if you do kill your progeny on a whim how is it "taking responsibility" as he claimed?

You deliberately ignore the premise.

This shows you have an incapacity for empathy, it is a simple exercise. Imagine it from a different point of view. Would it ever be okay to kill them if you believed it was a child? Don't be lazy, don't be simple. You know where this is going and you don't want to give "them" credibility.

The reality is if you believed, as often those who are against abortion do, that it is a child you are killing (especially at later stages of pregnancy) then there really is no reason good enough to do it other than to save a life.

 

[Bonestorm]

Is it, however, progeny? And at what point is it not "okay" to just kill them on a whim? And if you do kill your progeny on a whim how is it "taking responsibility" as he claimed?

First of all, inserting the term "progeny" does nothing to advance the discussion. It's just a term you are using because you don't want to differentiate between a fetus and a toddler. They are different and branding them both under the term "progeny" because you don't want to deal with those differences is a cop out. Second, I don't believe the prior poster said anything about killing on a whim.

 

[Damocles]

Also, you should start with the context that Apple believes that it is equally okay to kill the "fetus" one hour before birth as it is one hour after conception. His belief is extreme, and the question was created, quoted, and asked with that context in mind.