We need to nominate, then elect Herman Cain!

apple0154 said:
Apple: The government is not a business so what does business experience have to do with anything?

Dixie: Everything. The president doesn't run the government, so why would it matter the government is not a business?

Huh? You say it has "everything" and then say the President doesn't run the government. What's your point?
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The level of business experience is crucial in the knowledge and understanding of problem solving and executive decision making. You made the statement that government is not a business, but the president is also not "the government."
 
Dixie said:
Been away for the weekend, but it's nice to see my thread sparked such lively debate. Let me take this opportunity to address some of the comments:

Southern Chicken: Dixie, the Ajc here in Atlanta does a factcheck on Herman Cain every time he speaks.

We have adopted this practice of "FACTCHECK" (sounds like something out of George Orwell's 1984) where a biased and politicized media outlet PRETENDS to be unbiased and objective in their analysis. The fact that they use the term "FACTCHECK" is supposed to ensure whatever they say is without question and 100% truth. This is just simply inaccurate and factually not true. I went to the link you posted and read through their supposed list of "facts" on Cain, most of which are being taken out of context or distorted to begin with, and then analyzed in a biased and distorted way. One of the most liberal newspapers in the country, has put together what should be libelous propaganda, and presented it to the public as "FACTCHECK" which is supposed to denote that facts have actually been checked. The only "FACT" we can take away from the AJC is that they are biased, liberal, and not supportive of ANY republican candidate.

For a good example of this, we can look at one of the AJC's chosen "facts" they supposedly "checked." Cain has made the statement that China holds 26% of US debt... AJC says this is not true, because if you count "domestic debt" then China holds much less than 26%. But when we are debating US debt, it is the FOREIGN debt we are concerned with. Anyone who has borrowed $20 from their children can tell you, "domestic debt" is nowhere near as problematic or vulnerable, than debt owed outside the domicile. Cain is referring to FOREIGN debt, not DOMESTIC debt... but because the AJC can parse his words and take them completely out of context, they can pretend Cain has not told the truth.

poet: He is a bona fide homophobe and Neanderthal. A misogynist. No foreign policy experience. Never having held a political office before (isn't that the one they used on Barack Obama?)

And how can you determine who and who is not "more African-American", given the history that once upon a time, the "one drop rule" was the law of the land?

No, they didn't use 'never held public office before' or 'lack of political experience' on Obama, because he was a state senator, as I recall. In fact, most of Obama's experience is being a politician seeking office. Homophobe and misogynist are ad homs... no basis whatsoever. Neanderthal? They have been extinct for thousands of years.

And I can determine that someone born of two African-American parents, is "more African American" than someone who is born of one black and one white parent, because that is how genetics work. Both Obama and Cain have "more than one drop" of African American blood.

Onzies: It's my understanding that Cain supports making abortion illegal even in the case of rape.

Addressed this earlier, but again... presidents can't make abortion illegal. Your point is completely academic.

Jarhead: So should we nominate and elect a person who advocates a religous litmus test for Judgships and cabinent positions?

I think we already have a series of "litmus tests" for every appointment by every president, and it's been that way for a while now. Perhaps it's not "PC" to come out and say it, but yeah... every president is going to have their own "litmus test" ...you don't think Obama had one for Sotomayor or Kagan?

Apple: The government is not a business so what does business experience have to do with anything?

Everything. The president doesn't run the government, so why would it matter the government is not a business?
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Onzies: It's my understanding that Cain supports making abortion illegal even in the case of rape.

Addressed this earlier, but again... presidents can't make abortion illegal. Your point is completely academic.

It's not academic, at all. Look at the "Defense of Marriage Act." It's a law which Obama/the Justice Department refuses to uphold. Suppose a State decides to outlaw abortion and the Federal Government decides not to uphold the right to abortion.

A President has considerable power to sway Congressional members. Just look at ObamaCare. :)

An anti-abortionist President is a threat to woman's rights.
 
Dixie said:
The president CAN'T make abortion illegal any more than they could have made it legal before Roe V. Wade. If they could, everyone elected president since Roe, would have tried, since they all went on record as being opposed to abortion. (Even pro-choice presidents have opposed the practice of abortion.) The simple fact of the matter is, and what the stupid and ignorant people of the world don't comprehend, is the president has very very little to do with abortion or whether it is legal or illegal or to what degree. This is determined by Congress and the Supreme Court, not the President. So, it really doesn't matter what Herman Cain is personally for or against, regarding abortion.
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Just because you oppose the practice of abortion does not mean you want it to be illegal. There are plenty of things I oppose that I do not want the government to get involved in.
 
Dixie said:
Been away for the weekend, but it's nice to see my thread sparked such lively debate. Let me take this opportunity to address some of the comments:

Southern Chicken: Dixie, the Ajc here in Atlanta does a factcheck on Herman Cain every time he speaks.

We have adopted this practice of "FACTCHECK" (sounds like something out of George Orwell's 1984) where a biased and politicized media outlet PRETENDS to be unbiased and objective in their analysis. The fact that they use the term "FACTCHECK" is supposed to ensure whatever they say is without question and 100% truth. This is just simply inaccurate and factually not true. I went to the link you posted and read through their supposed list of "facts" on Cain, most of which are being taken out of context or distorted to begin with, and then analyzed in a biased and distorted way. One of the most liberal newspapers in the country, has put together what should be libelous propaganda, and presented it to the public as "FACTCHECK" which is supposed to denote that facts have actually been checked. The only "FACT" we can take away from the AJC is that they are biased, liberal, and not supportive of ANY republican candidate.

For a good example of this, we can look at one of the AJC's chosen "facts" they supposedly "checked." Cain has made the statement that China holds 26% of US debt... AJC says this is not true, because if you count "domestic debt" then China holds much less than 26%. But when we are debating US debt, it is the FOREIGN debt we are concerned with. Anyone who has borrowed $20 from their children can tell you, "domestic debt" is nowhere near as problematic or vulnerable, than debt owed outside the domicile. Cain is referring to FOREIGN debt, not DOMESTIC debt... but because the AJC can parse his words and take them completely out of context, they can pretend Cain has not told the truth.

poet: He is a bona fide homophobe and Neanderthal. A misogynist. No foreign policy experience. Never having held a political office before (isn't that the one they used on Barack Obama?)

And how can you determine who and who is not "more African-American", given the history that once upon a time, the "one drop rule" was the law of the land?

No, they didn't use 'never held public office before' or 'lack of political experience' on Obama, because he was a state senator, as I recall. In fact, most of Obama's experience is being a politician seeking office. Homophobe and misogynist are ad homs... no basis whatsoever. Neanderthal? They have been extinct for thousands of years.

And I can determine that someone born of two African-American parents, is "more African American" than someone who is born of one black and one white parent, because that is how genetics work. Both Obama and Cain have "more than one drop" of African American blood.

Onzies: It's my understanding that Cain supports making abortion illegal even in the case of rape.

Addressed this earlier, but again... presidents can't make abortion illegal. Your point is completely academic.

Jarhead: So should we nominate and elect a person who advocates a religous litmus test for Judgships and cabinent positions?

I think we already have a series of "litmus tests" for every appointment by every president, and it's been that way for a while now. Perhaps it's not "PC" to come out and say it, but yeah... every president is going to have their own "litmus test" ...you don't think Obama had one for Sotomayor or Kagan?

Apple: The government is not a business so what does business experience have to do with anything?

Everything. The president doesn't run the government, so why would it matter the government is not a business?
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I do not belive Bush II, Obama, Clinton or Bush I, had religous litmus tests. Cain said he would not consider a muslum for any cabnent position or judship, simply due to them being Muslum. To me that is about as unamerican as it gets.
 
poet said:
Please. The difference is Herman Cain supports the Republican and Tea Party Platform, which, in and of itself, is "racist". He is espousing the exact same views of a white racist (read : conservative Republican) , which is ironic, in and of itself. President Obama is the polar opposite. Herman Cain is a house negro, doing the slavemaster's work. Are you kidding? Look how fast he backed down from criticizing, justifiably, Rick Perry's N-head controversy. Stevie Wonder could see it.
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Please. The difference is that The Obama supports the Democrat and Liberal Platform, which, in and of itself, is "racist". He is espousing the exact same views of a white racist (read : liberal Democrat) , which is ironic, in and of itself. Herman Cain is the polar opposite. Liberals call Herman Cain a house negro, doing the slavemaster's work. Stevie Wonder could see it.
 
The point is that a black person, Obama or Cain, can be racist. Just because you are black does not give you immunity from being racist.
 
DamnYankee said:
According to Poet, one must be a conservative Republican to be racist. :)
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Now, see that is a matter of opinion. I disagree, there are plenty of Democrats who are racist. I do belive that racism is a Conservative trait, if you fully subscribe to conservatism you are racist. Most conservatives do not fully subscribe and thus are not racist.
 
Dixie said:
The level of business experience is crucial in the knowledge and understanding of problem solving and executive decision making. You made the statement that government is not a business, but the president is also not "the government."
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Business experience may be crucial in the knowledge and understanding of problem solving and executive decision making in a business environment. A business is only concerned with itself as witnessed over and over when it comes to the detriment and even destruction of the community in which it operates (loss of jobs, pollution, etc).

Did you hear Cain's remarks on the Wall Street protests? “Don’t blame Wall Street, don’t blame the big banks, if you don’t have a job and you’re not rich, blame yourself."

Can you imagine a guy like that pushing for repeal of ObamaCare and claiming to be concerned about medical care improvements? If you can't afford medical care, just die! And, please, do it quietly.
 
Jarod said:
Now, see that is a matter of opinion. I disagree, there are plenty of Democrats who are racist. I do belive that racism is a Conservative trait, if you fully subscribe to conservatism you are racist. Most conservatives do not fully subscribe and thus are not racist.
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So it is your position that anyone who fully subscribes to the written tenets of the conservative platform are racist. Or are you simply making up your own definition of what conservatism is?
 
DamnYankee said:
So it is your position that anyone who fully subscribes to the written tenets of the conservative platform are racist. Or are you simply making up your own definition of what conservatism is?
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No, I am addressing what I belive pure conservatism is, I have not reviewed the platform of the Republican Party, or any other established conservative platform. I simply belive that Conservatism taken to its extreem is about keeping those who are down, down, and members of some minorities, especally one that is only 50 years out of segregated schools, are as a group down in our system.
 
DamnYankee said:
Please. The difference is that The Obama supports the Democrat and Liberal Platform, which, in and of itself, is "racist". He is espousing the exact same views of a white racist (read : liberal Democrat) , which is ironic, in and of itself. Herman Cain is the polar opposite. Liberals call Herman Cain a house negro, doing the slavemaster's work. Stevie Wonder could see it.
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Uh, care to explain how and why the Liberal "and" Democratic platform is, "in and of itself, racist"???????????? I want to hear that one. And something wrong with your brain, you couldn't think of anything original, you had to steal my words to try to make a point, which only added to confusion?


In the meantime, peruse over what some black folks have to say about Herman Cain.

Repost from facebook:

C.Q.M.‎@ John T, SOME of what ALL Republicans say have a lot of truth to it. But, it's like saying, I'm going to buy you a new car (and that's all you hear). The part you missed was, "right after I get the insurance money from killing your child). So, I'll agree to disagree on that point. These xenophobes commit GRAND LARCENY one day, then make a law the next day making it illegal. Hell, they even stole us. And, the Herman Cain types were the ones helping them catch us.



J.T.H.
Think about this closely, how has racism held us as a people back within the last 20 years? Or has it been the lack of education, the idiotic trends that we as a people follow. We doom ourselves from the time we wake up in the morning.



K.J.:‎J. T. - N. M., and Corey have explained the disdain for this man very well. So may I add that I don't harbor any ill will regarding him being a Rethuglican! (He's not a real Republican, because this is not the real Republican Party. It's the old GOP after being hijacked by the Tea Baggers!) I even like a lot about Chris Christie. (Although until he drops 100 lbs, he'll never get near the White House! #walkingheartattack)
But I don't LIKE him because during the Civil Rights movement, he ran his punk ass in the house and locked the doors! "Our parents told us as High Schoolers not to get involved". WTF???
That's a sorry Black man, yes Kamani, HOUSE NIGGA, who is infinitely wrong about his support from Black folks. He's also not forthcoming about his lack of military experience. In other words, his scary bitchass ducked the draft! My daddy went, and I'm supposed to respect this clot in the artery of America? F*CK NO! Another thing, his comments about the President border on treason! He's the GOP's little 'Nigger Bear' so he joins in the frivolity and all the yahoos laugh along. So he feels safe, but just wait! They'll leave his Black ass stranded like REAL BLACK MAN TRYING TO HAIL A CAB IN NYC!!! He is the qunitessential UNCLE TOM-HOUSE NIGGA-SELLOUT, and his ideas will never be taken seriously by rational, intelligent, thinking people! After you consider the source, (even though he gets a point for OWNING Godfatheres' Pizza - Tomi), HERMAN CAIN IS THE WORST KIND OF BLACK MAN!!!
By the way, he's also not being forthcoming about a prostate cancer issue!!!



N.M.W. ‎@ J. T. * My brother, it's called "Institutionalized Racism" and you're the perfect example of how well it's working, you don't even NOTICE it if not having it pointed out to you. That's the beauty of Facebook and the info age though.

This racism manifests in things such as drug laws (that keep the PRISONS full of Black men) and voting laws (that disenfranchises blacks who'll help re-elect Obama in 2012). I won't do the full lecture on K's page but please believe racism is alive and well, just dressed in a different Klan robe and burning a cross in a different way.

Uncle Herman is exactly the house negro they want to have confuse the sheeple who are susceptible to these idiotic trends and self-destructive behavior you speak of (that DO actually exist). Keep your eyes open sir, and I say that in all seriousness.
 
Jarod said:
No, I am addressing what I belive pure conservatism is, I have not reviewed the platform of the Republican Party, or any other established conservative platform. I simply belive that Conservatism taken to its extreem is about keeping those who are down, down, and members of some minorities, especally one that is only 50 years out of segregated schools, are as a group down in our system.
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So you admit that you make up your own definition of conservatism, ignoring the written platform of those that you choose to disagree with. Then you attribute undesirable, even heinous, traits to them.
 
Jarod said:
The point is that a black person, Obama or Cain, can be racist. Just because you are black does not give you immunity from being racist.
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Quantitatively, it does. White on black racism has more far-reaching and concrete impact than does black on white racism, for the mere fact that whites are in the majority (presently, but not for long) and run things...so their decisions, pro and con, impact blacks and persons of color, in more instances, and more severely than the other way around.
 
poet said:
Uh, care to explain how and why the Liberal "and" Democratic platform is, "in and of itself, racist"???????????? I want to hear that one. And something wrong with your brain, you couldn't think of anything original, you had to steal my words to try to make a point, which only added to confusion?


In the meantime, peruse over what some black folks have to say about Herman Cain....
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Why should I explain what a political movement is inherently racist when you have not? I've used your words to demonstrate the absurdity of your position, which is "high art".

The musings of some folks on Facebook is not relevant to the position of a political movement. :)
 
DamnYankee said:
According to Poet, one must be a conservative Republican to be racist. :)
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That is not true. Although it's true that one is more likely to be racist, if one is a conservative Republican, by virtue of the platform which is indifferent, if not hostile to minorities and their causes.
 
poet said:
That is not true. Although it's true that one is more likely to be racist, if one is a conservative Republican, by virtue of the platform which is indifferent, if not hostile to minorities and their causes.
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Being "indifferent" in this case is the same as being "color blind", which is completely non-racist. Promoting one segment of society over another because of a condition that they were born with is bigoted; if the condition is race then it is racist. :)
 
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