AP sources: Bush-era probe involved guns 'walking'

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AP sources: Bush-era probe involved guns 'walking'

The federal government under the Bush administration ran an operation that allowed hundreds of guns to be transferred to suspected arms traffickers - the same tactic that congressional Republicans have criticized President Barack Obama's administration for using, two federal law enforcement officials said Tuesday.

Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, and other Republicans have been hammering the Obama Justice Department over the practice known as "letting guns walk." The congressional target has been Operation Fast and Furious, which was designed to track small-time gun buyers at several Phoenix-area gun shops up the chain to make cases against major weapons traffickers. In the process, federal agents lost track of many of the more than 2,000 guns linked to the operation.

When Bush, a Republican, was president, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives in Tucson, Ariz., used a similar enforcement tactic in a program it called Operation Wide Receiver. The fact that there were two such ATF investigations years apart in separate administrations raises the possibility that agents in still other cases may have allowed guns to "walk."

http://news.yahoo.com/amanda-knox-returns-us-4-years-prison-001045499.html

interesting. no surprise the media had to deflect attention away from obama and onto bush. if true, both cases need to be investigated.
 
Yurt said:
AP sources: Bush-era probe involved guns 'walking'

The federal government under the Bush administration ran an operation that allowed hundreds of guns to be transferred to suspected arms traffickers - the same tactic that congressional Republicans have criticized President Barack Obama's administration for using, two federal law enforcement officials said Tuesday.

Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, and other Republicans have been hammering the Obama Justice Department over the practice known as "letting guns walk." The congressional target has been Operation Fast and Furious, which was designed to track small-time gun buyers at several Phoenix-area gun shops up the chain to make cases against major weapons traffickers. In the process, federal agents lost track of many of the more than 2,000 guns linked to the operation.

When Bush, a Republican, was president, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives in Tucson, Ariz., used a similar enforcement tactic in a program it called Operation Wide Receiver. The fact that there were two such ATF investigations years apart in separate administrations raises the possibility that agents in still other cases may have allowed guns to "walk."

http://news.yahoo.com/amanda-knox-returns-us-4-years-prison-001045499.html

interesting. no surprise the media had to deflect attention away from obama and onto bush. if true, both cases need to be investigated.
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Just how long has this been going on? There are indications that this didn't just happen in border states either (see STYs thread). On the plus side (and this is minor given the circumstances) these findings highlight just how effective our NICS system is, and I'd say very.
 
Yurt said:
AP sources: Bush-era probe involved guns 'walking'

The federal government under the Bush administration ran an operation that allowed hundreds of guns to be transferred to suspected arms traffickers - the same tactic that congressional Republicans have criticized President Barack Obama's administration for using, two federal law enforcement officials said Tuesday.

Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, and other Republicans have been hammering the Obama Justice Department over the practice known as "letting guns walk." The congressional target has been Operation Fast and Furious, which was designed to track small-time gun buyers at several Phoenix-area gun shops up the chain to make cases against major weapons traffickers. In the process, federal agents lost track of many of the more than 2,000 guns linked to the operation.

When Bush, a Republican, was president, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives in Tucson, Ariz., used a similar enforcement tactic in a program it called Operation Wide Receiver. The fact that there were two such ATF investigations years apart in separate administrations raises the possibility that agents in still other cases may have allowed guns to "walk."

http://news.yahoo.com/amanda-knox-returns-us-4-years-prison-001045499.html

interesting. no surprise the media had to deflect attention away from obama and onto bush. if true, both cases need to be investigated.
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Oh boy....I wonder if onecell will rant and rave about the "OH LOOK, ITS THE THEY DID IT TOO DEFENSE"........
 
Everybody DANCE! said:
Just how long has this been going on? There are indications that this didn't just happen in border states either (see STYs thread). On the plus side (and this is minor given the circumstances) these findings highlight just how effective our NICS system is, and I'd say very.
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i don't know, but i find this interesting. two different presidents carried on the tradition. why....no idea. at this point, i'll wait to learn more to see if this is even true.
 
Yurt said:
i don't know, but i find this interesting. two different presidents carried on the tradition. why....no idea. at this point, i'll wait to learn more to see if this is even true.
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It's entirely possible that the ATF, which is notorious for it's thuggery, could do it without Bush knowing (or Obama, but that's less likely).
 
mere allegations that this was done under Bush are not enough. Right now, it simply looks like deflecting. perhaps more evidence can be shed?
 
SmarterThanYou said:
mere allegations that this was done under Bush are not enough. Right now, it simply looks like deflecting. perhaps more evidence can be shed?
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'Operation Wide Receiver'

What's also fascinating about the documents turned over to investigators is that they reference a little-known ATF operation called "Operation Wide Receiver", which just like "Fast and Furious," let guns "walk" to Mexico.

The operation, run by ATF's Tucson office and the U.S. Attorney for Arizona, started in 2006 -- when George W. Bush's Attorney General Alberto Gonzales was running the show -- and ran until the end of 2007. No charges were filed.

Fast forward to 2009, when the Obama administration took over the Justice Department. The former Gang Unit inside DOJ's Criminal Division (it later merged with the Organized Crime and Racketeering Section) reviewed the case for possible prosecution. At that time, a federal prosecutor in the unit "learned the ATF Arizona had permitted guns to be transferred to suspected gun traffickers and had not interdicted them," according to a DOJ official.

DOJ eventually issued two indictments that grew out of the Bush-era "Wide Receiver" investigation, which were unsealed towards the end of 2010.

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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/AP-sources-Bushera-probe-apf-3376434435.html?x=0&.v=1
 
christiefan915 said:
'Operation Wide Receiver'

What's also fascinating about the documents turned over to investigators is that they reference a little-known ATF operation called "Operation Wide Receiver", which just like "Fast and Furious," let guns "walk" to Mexico.

The operation, run by ATF's Tucson office and the U.S. Attorney for Arizona, started in 2006 -- when George W. Bush's Attorney General Alberto Gonzales was running the show -- and ran until the end of 2007. No charges were filed.

Fast forward to 2009, when the Obama administration took over the Justice Department. The former Gang Unit inside DOJ's Criminal Division (it later merged with the Organized Crime and Racketeering Section) reviewed the case for possible prosecution. At that time, a federal prosecutor in the unit "learned the ATF Arizona had permitted guns to be transferred to suspected gun traffickers and had not interdicted them," according to a DOJ official.

DOJ eventually issued two indictments that grew out of the Bush-era "Wide Receiver" investigation, which were unsealed towards the end of 2010.

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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/AP-sources-Bushera-probe-apf-3376434435.html?x=0&.v=1
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this is a simple start. i have doubts as to the motivations by other mainstream news sources just now pursuing this. It took individual bloggers to get any attention, and then it was only by cbsnews sharyl attkinson, so for other sources to now take a serious interest smacks of deflectionism and 'they did it too' crap. i'll continue to watch and see, but for now my suspicions are high.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
this is a simple start. i have doubts as to the motivations by other mainstream news sources just now pursuing this. It took individual bloggers to get any attention, and then it was only by cbsnews sharyl attkinson, so for other sources to now take a serious interest smacks of deflectionism and 'they did it too' crap. i'll continue to watch and see, but for now my suspicions are high.
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i noticed that cnn, yahoo so far hasn't run with the story, at least not on their main page.
 
Yurt said:
i noticed that cnn, yahoo so far hasn't run with the story, at least not on their main page.
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This is because the equivalency level is not confirmed at this moment. If they find real evidence that Bush Administration purposefully let the guns across the border rather than arresting them after allowing the purchase then you will find the story on the front page. CNN, et al aren't going to run a story on their front page that, while it seems to be, hasn't been confirmed to be equivalent without some stronger evidence. They don't want to be See B.S. News.
 
Memos contradict Holder on 'Fast and Furious'

New documents show Attorney General Eric Holder was sent briefings on the controversial Fast and Furious operation as far back as July of 2010 -- directly contradicting statements to Congress. (Oct. 3) (CBS News)

link
 
Damocles said:
This is because the equivalency level is not confirmed at this moment. If they find real evidence that Bush Administration purposefully let the guns across the border rather than arresting them after allowing the purchase then you will find the story on the front page. CNN, et al aren't going to run a story on their front page that, while it seems to be, hasn't been confirmed to be equivalent without some stronger evidence. They don't want to be See B.S. News.
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are you saying that CBS news should have sat on the story or not reported it?
 
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