Words of wisdom from Dwight D. Eisenhower

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The political processes of our country are such that if a rule of reason is not applied in this effort, we will lose everything--even to a possible and drastic change in the Constitution. This is what I mean by my constant insistence upon "moderation" in government. Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are H. L. Hunt (you possibly know his background), a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid.

Presidential Papers, Doc#1147 Personal and confidential To Edgar Newton Eisenhower, 8 November 1954. In The Papers of Dwight David Eisenhower

Well, now we have that party...and it will be the END of the GOP.
 
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The political processes of our country are such that if a rule of reason is not applied in this effort, we will lose everything--even to a possible and drastic change in the Constitution. This is what I mean by my constant insistence upon "moderation" in government. Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are H. L. Hunt (you possibly know his background), a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid.

Presidential Papers, Doc#1147 Personal and confidential To Edgar Newton Eisenhower, 8 November 1954. In The Papers of Dwight David Eisenhower

Well, now we have that party...and it will be the END of the GOP.

Do you have any evidence to back up your charges?
 
Since then, a tiny group of billionaires has discovered that they can get idiots to do their bidding if they fund a few propaganda machines and finance some "grassroots" organizations.

It's called the "Tea Party Movement".
 
Do you have any evidence to back up your charges?



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"We'd like to get your overall opinion of the Tea Party movement."


Favorable: 28%

Unfavorable: 53%


http://www.pollingreport.com/politics.htm
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The political processes of our country are such that if a rule of reason is not applied in this effort, we will lose everything--even to a possible and drastic change in the Constitution. This is what I mean by my constant insistence upon "moderation" in government. Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are H. L. Hunt (you possibly know his background), a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid.

Well, now we have that party...and it will be the END of the GOP.

1) Who is trying to ABOLISH social security?
2) Who is trying to ABOLISH unemployment insurance?
3) What labor laws have Reps tried to eliminate?
4) What farm programs have Reps tried to eliminate?
 

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"We'd like to get your overall opinion of the Tea Party movement."


Favorable: 28%

Unfavorable: 53%


http://www.pollingreport.com/politics.htm
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I didn't ask you for evidence of your opinion. I asked the poster of the OP to back up their charges that people want to end Social Security and unemployment insurance. You're confused.
 
Eisenhower, the last President to actually reduce the national debt, would 100% agree that we should run up trillions of dollars in unfunded liabilities for entitlements programs and not make any changes to them at all.
 
Eisenhower, the last President to actually reduce the national debt, would 100% agree that we should run up trillions of dollars in unfunded liabilities for entitlements programs and not make any changes to them at all.
They are not unfunded btw.

Social Security is a social insurance program that is primarily funded through dedicated payroll taxes called Federal Insurance Contributions Act tax (FICA). Tax deposits are formally entrusted to the Federal Old-Age and Survivors Insurance Trust Fund, the Federal Disability Insurance Trust Fund, the Federal Hospital Insurance Trust Fund, or the Federal Supplementary Medical Insurance Trust Fund. wiki


Eisenhower would make changes to ensure they are funded for posterity.
 
Eisenhower, the last President to actually reduce the national debt, would 100% agree that we should run up trillions of dollars in unfunded liabilities for entitlements programs and not make any changes to them at all.

LOL. You forgot the smilie, now the liberals will think you are serious.
 
They are not unfunded btw.

Social Security is a social insurance program that is primarily funded through dedicated payroll taxes called Federal Insurance Contributions Act tax (FICA). Tax deposits are formally entrusted to the Federal Old-Age and Survivors Insurance Trust Fund, the Federal Disability Insurance Trust Fund, the Federal Hospital Insurance Trust Fund, or the Federal Supplementary Medical Insurance Trust Fund. wiki


Eisenhower would make changes to ensure they are funded for posterity.

Please explain to me where they are wrong in this article with their numbers.


http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2011-06-06-us-debt-chart-medicare-social-security_n.htm
 
They are not unfunded btw.

Social Security is a social insurance program that is primarily funded through dedicated payroll taxes called Federal Insurance Contributions Act tax (FICA). Tax deposits are formally entrusted to the Federal Old-Age and Survivors Insurance Trust Fund, the Federal Disability Insurance Trust Fund, the Federal Hospital Insurance Trust Fund, or the Federal Supplementary Medical Insurance Trust Fund. wiki


Eisenhower would make changes to ensure they are funded for posterity.

Medicare and Medicaid are grossly unfunded. Social security is to a degree, but nowhere near the problem of the other two.

Unfunded liabilities doesn't mean they don't have ANY revenue coming in to support the programs. It means they don't have ENOUGH. Estimates between $40-60 TRILLION in unfunded liabilities for Medicare and Medicaid.
 
They are not unfunded btw.

Social Security is a social insurance program that is primarily funded through dedicated payroll taxes called Federal Insurance Contributions Act tax (FICA). Tax deposits are formally entrusted to the Federal Old-Age and Survivors Insurance Trust Fund, the Federal Disability Insurance Trust Fund, the Federal Hospital Insurance Trust Fund, or the Federal Supplementary Medical Insurance Trust Fund. wiki


Eisenhower would make changes to ensure they are funded for posterity.

Can you give us the names of the people in the GOP who want to end Social Security and unemployment insurance. Thanks.
 
Can you give us the names of the people in the GOP who want to end Social Security and unemployment insurance. Thanks.


Evidence that Republicans voted to end unemployment benefits here:

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2010/11/house-votes-against-jobless-benefits-extension/


And here:


http://ochairball.blogspot.com/2010/06/republicans-vote-against-unemployment.html


GOP votes to "reform" Social Security can be viewed here:

http://www.opencongress.org/issues/show/8500_social_security_and_elderly_assistance


As President Barack Obama sidesteps ways to keep the retirement system viable, his would-be rivals are keen on letting younger workers divert part of their payroll taxes into some type of personal account to be invested separately from Social Security.


Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney has a version. Reps. Michele Bachmann of Minnesota and Ron Paul of Texas have said younger workers should be allowed to invest in alternative plans. Texas Gov. Rick Perry has raised the idea of letting whole groups, such as state and local government workers, opt out of Social Security.



These proposals are popular among conservatives who believe workers could get a better return from investing in publicly traded securities...





http://www.boston.com/news/local/ma...ndidates_revive_private_social_security_idea/
 
Please explain to me where they are wrong in this article with their numbers.


http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2011-06-06-us-debt-chart-medicare-social-security_n.htm

Please tell me why Ike wouldn't support a common sense solution like this?

Senator Bernie Sanders announced that he will introduce legislation that would strengthen Social Security without cutting benefits to any of its beneficiaries. The legislation would eliminate the income cap that currently exists in the payroll tax that does not tax income above $106,800.

To keep Social Security functional through the Baby Boom collection years, Sanders’ legislation would simply apply the same payroll tax already paid by more than nine out of 10 Americans (you know… the working class) to those with incomes over $250,000 a year. The legislation would leave Social Security benefits untouched yet fully fund the program by making the wealthiest Americans pay the same payroll tax already assessed on those with incomes up to $106,800 a year.

Sanders points out that President Obama himself endorsed this idea on the campaign trail in 2008. “What we need to do is to raise the cap on the payroll tax so that wealthy individuals are paying a little bit more into the system. Right now, somebody like Warren Buffet pays a fraction of 1 percent of his income in payroll tax, whereas the majority…pays payroll tax on 100 percent of their income. I’ve said that was not fair,” said then Candidate Obama. As we all know the wealthy took that as a red flag and upped their class warfare ante with a full on assault of the working class using their ALEC funded Tea Party tools as the point troops. The Social Security system is currently fully funded until 2037. Lifting the payroll tax cap would virtually eliminate funding shortfalls the program would experience over the next 75 years.

This legislation, of course, is far too fair and makes too much sense so the Tea Party/GOP will certainly oppose it as they do any legislation that might actually do some good for America's working class. The only tax increases Republicans will agree to right now is an increase in taxes for the working class, itself. The Tea Party motto is apparently, "America for the rich and all the rest can piss off."
 
so no one is able to provide evidence of any of the charges in the OP.

and remember, the OP claims these are acts by an entire political party.
 
The answer is in the Tom Hartmann clip above. From now on do your own research.

1) The 'answer' is not in that video. They don't want to END or ABOLISH anything. They want to find a way to SAVE it.

2) When someone makes a claim, it is up to THEM to provide evidence to back it up. It is not up to the remainder of the board to go out and research the issue.
 
1) The 'answer' is not in that video. They don't want to END or ABOLISH anything. They want to find a way to SAVE it.

2) When someone makes a claim, it is up to THEM to provide evidence to back it up. It is not up to the remainder of the board to go out and research the issue.

according to zappa, you're wrong. since you called bullshit on the claim, it is your burden now.
 
Please tell me why Ike wouldn't support a common sense solution like this?

Senator Bernie Sanders announced that he will introduce legislation that would strengthen Social Security without cutting benefits to any of its beneficiaries. The legislation would eliminate the income cap that currently exists in the payroll tax that does not tax income above $106,800.

To keep Social Security functional through the Baby Boom collection years, Sanders’ legislation would simply apply the same payroll tax already paid by more than nine out of 10 Americans (you know… the working class) to those with incomes over $250,000 a year. The legislation would leave Social Security benefits untouched yet fully fund the program by making the wealthiest Americans pay the same payroll tax already assessed on those with incomes up to $106,800 a year.

Sanders points out that President Obama himself endorsed this idea on the campaign trail in 2008. “What we need to do is to raise the cap on the payroll tax so that wealthy individuals are paying a little bit more into the system. Right now, somebody like Warren Buffet pays a fraction of 1 percent of his income in payroll tax, whereas the majority…pays payroll tax on 100 percent of their income. I’ve said that was not fair,” said then Candidate Obama. As we all know the wealthy took that as a red flag and upped their class warfare ante with a full on assault of the working class using their ALEC funded Tea Party tools as the point troops. The Social Security system is currently fully funded until 2037. Lifting the payroll tax cap would virtually eliminate funding shortfalls the program would experience over the next 75 years.

This legislation, of course, is far too fair and makes too much sense so the Tea Party/GOP will certainly oppose it as they do any legislation that might actually do some good for America's working class. The only tax increases Republicans will agree to right now is an increase in taxes for the working class, itself. The Tea Party motto is apparently, "America for the rich and all the rest can piss off."

I don't have a problem with the donut hole approach to fixing SS. I would guess that Ike wouldn't either.

That said, you have failed completely to show where Reps are trying to eliminate SS or any of the others.
 
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