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But that is NOT what you are doing. You are TELLING everyone that the Muslims beliefs are fictional, made up, that the Muslims believe in a different God because of it. That is NOT simply quoting the Bible and trying to explain it. You are TAKING the position of an EXTREME Christian fundamentalist and defending that position to the death.
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I think the main difference between the violence in the Bible and the Koran is the progression. The Christian Bible begins with violence and ends with peace, with the Koran it is opposite. If you take the Koran as Christians do the Bible, this would mean that according to the newer text it is a religion of warriors. I do not know enough of their beliefs to say that they do take it that way, and all evidence I have seen is that they do not. I have yet to be physically attacked by the Muslims that I know, while they worry for my soul as I am not a believer I have never heard them suggest that I am less human or had one attack me for my disbelief. All that is anecdotal, however, and personal in nature.
I think that Christians assume that, like the Bible, the later verses (New Testament) take some precedence over the earlier verses (Old Testament) and that the progression of the scripture they follow would mean that they believe that violence is an expression of their Deity.
I don't necessary believe that the progression of the scripture has the same weight for Muslims, that there is no "New Testament" that changed the religion as it did for Christianity.
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Since both books are the product of man, with the intent to control and exploit, then this discussion is irrelevant.
I never cease to be amazed at the gullibility of some people and certainly join with most people in my despair over Americans. A new church every day with more and more crooked pastors/vicars/priests laughing all the way to the bank.
Get down on your miserable bended knee and fill my plate with your hard earned cash so I may purchase the luxuries that god says I must have to carry his word.
And then you think you understand politics!! You don't even understand yourselves!
None of you are worthy of even touching the garments of the man you should be emulating. Who the f*** ever told you people you were special because he or she created the funniest joke of all time.
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Psalm 137
1 By the rivers of Babylon we sat and wept
when we remembered Zion.
2 There on the poplars
we hung our harps,
3 for there our captors asked us for songs,
our tormentors demanded songs of joy;
they said, “Sing us one of the songs of Zion!”
4 How can we sing the songs of the LORD
while in a foreign land?
5 If I forget you, Jerusalem,
may my right hand forget its skill.
6 May my tongue cling to the roof of my mouth
if I do not remember you,
if I do not consider Jerusalem
my highest joy.
7 Remember, LORD, what the Edomites did
on the day Jerusalem fell.
“Tear it down,” they cried,
“tear it down to its foundations!”
8 Daughter Babylon, doomed to destruction,
happy is the one who repays you
according to what you have done to us.
9 Happy is the one who seizes your infants
and dashes them against the rocks.
Such a lovely Psalm.....
1 By the rivers of Babylon we sat and wept
when we remembered Zion.
2 There on the poplars
we hung our harps,
3 for there our captors asked us for songs,
our tormentors demanded songs of joy;
they said, “Sing us one of the songs of Zion!”
4 How can we sing the songs of the LORD
while in a foreign land?
5 If I forget you, Jerusalem,
may my right hand forget its skill.
6 May my tongue cling to the roof of my mouth
if I do not remember you,
if I do not consider Jerusalem
my highest joy.
7 Remember, LORD, what the Edomites did
on the day Jerusalem fell.
“Tear it down,” they cried,
“tear it down to its foundations!”
8 Daughter Babylon, doomed to destruction,
happy is the one who repays you
according to what you have done to us.
9 Happy is the one who seizes your infants
and dashes them against the rocks.
Such a lovely Psalm.....
You just described the Bible as more of a history text, which is how I tend to see it. Dixie is saying that its a tenet for belief. Are real Christians supposed to "believe" more of what comes later, and be more dismissive of what the former writes?
I have always felt that the OT & NT were inherently contradictory. Just my opinion, of course...
Islam is entirely a religion of peace. Jihad is a personal war against one's own self will. Those that pervert the meaning of Islam and kill in God (Allah)s name are lying extremist's, not true believers whether muslim or christian.
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The Almighty
For your opinion you are banished from being a Christian.... You must think exactly like Ditzie and Spurtle if you want to be considered a true Christian.
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No response Yurtle?
Once again you FAIL to read what I write and just continue on with your bigotry. I have already answered WHY it makes you a bigot you fucking retard. I also have stated the ANSWER to YOUR question. YOUR question was ..... ARE ALL Muslims Bigots because of the quote you posted. I answered NO. I then explained why. Then you pretended that I hadn't answered your question, so I explained again. You again pretended that I didn't answer you. How many fucking times must I answer you?
No, I am not going to hold ALL Muslims accountable for a quote written over 1000 years ago.
To answer your NEW question.... YES, anyone who claims that anyone ALTERED God is a fucking idiot and a Bigot.
Your quote in question:
Quran 2:59
But those who wronged changed [those words] to a statement other than that which had been said to them, so We sent down upon those who wronged a punishment from the sky because they were defiantly disobeying.
Now READ and try to COMPREHEND Yurt.
The above does NOT state that they 'altered God'.... they said they 'changed the story/wrote it down wrong'. It doesn't say that the Jews believe in a different God or that they changed the entity. It says they wrote the story wrong (and accuses them of doing so on purpose and were thus punished by God for it).
What YOU and DITZIE are saying is that the Muslims cannot possibly believe in the God of Abraham, because their STORY is different. You are claiming that God/Allah are not the same because the STORIES are different. Yet you THEN IGNORE all the differences between Christianity and Judaism and pretend that THOSE differences do NOT somehow alter God. Why? Because you are a bigot.
Bigot:
A bigot is a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from their own or intolerant of people of different political views, ethnicity, race, class, religion, profession, sexuality or gender.
You are completely intolerant of the FACT that Muslims believe and STATE they believe in the God of Abraham. How could you be anything OTHER than a bigot?
Now, let me guess, you are going to ignore all of the above and pretend it wasn't written yet again?
Once again you FAIL to read what I write and just continue on with your bigotry. I have already answered WHY it makes you a bigot you fucking retard. I also have stated the ANSWER to YOUR question. YOUR question was ..... ARE ALL Muslims Bigots because of the quote you posted. I answered NO. I then explained why. Then you pretended that I hadn't answered your question, so I explained again. You again pretended that I didn't answer you. How many fucking times must I answer you?
No, I am not going to hold ALL Muslims accountable for a quote written over 1000 years ago.
To answer your NEW question.... YES, anyone who claims that anyone ALTERED God is a fucking idiot and a Bigot.
Your quote in question:
Quran 2:59
But those who wronged changed [those words] to a statement other than that which had been said to them, so We sent down upon those who wronged a punishment from the sky because they were defiantly disobeying.
Now READ and try to COMPREHEND Yurt.
The above does NOT state that they 'altered God'.... they said they 'changed the story/wrote it down wrong'. It doesn't say that the Jews believe in a different God or that they changed the entity. It says they wrote the story wrong (and accuses them of doing so on purpose and were thus punished by God for it).
What YOU and DITZIE are saying is that the Muslims cannot possibly believe in the God of Abraham, because their STORY is different. You are claiming that God/Allah are not the same because the STORIES are different. Yet you THEN IGNORE all the differences between Christianity and Judaism and pretend that THOSE differences do NOT somehow alter God. Why? Because you are a bigot.
Bigot:
A bigot is a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from their own or intolerant of people of different political views, ethnicity, race, class, religion, profession, sexuality or gender.
You are completely intolerant of the FACT that Muslims believe and STATE they believe in the God of Abraham. How could you be anything OTHER than a bigot?
Now, let me guess, you are going to ignore all of the above and pretend it wasn't written yet again?
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i said carry on spazzfreak. you're completely spazzing on the issue and being intellectually dishonest and outright dishonest by saying i'm a bigot. i've showed you the definition and you refuse to explain how it fits the definition and you refuse to hold the same stance for muhammad or those who believe the text.
i'm not going to waste my time with an idiot who refuses to rationally and honestly discuss the issue. i've tried, and you just go in circles.
carry on.
i'm not going to waste my time with an idiot who refuses to rationally and honestly discuss the issue. i've tried, and you just go in circles.
carry on.
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so in other words, you are going to once again ignore the fact that I answered your questions. You instead will continue to spout your nonsense like the above?
Also, it is really cute that you keep trying to use my description of your spastic nature back against me.
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Because again.... NOW PAY ATTENTION YURTLE.... THIS IS ONCE AGAIN THE ANSWER TO YOUR FUCKING STUPIDITY.....
Your quote in question:
Now READ and try to COMPREHEND Yurt.
The above does NOT state that they 'altered God'.... they said they 'changed the story/wrote it down wrong'. It doesn't say that the Jews believe in a different God or that they changed the entity. It says they wrote the story wrong (and accuses them of doing so on purpose and were thus punished by God for it).
What YOU and DITZIE are saying is that the Muslims cannot possibly believe in the God of Abraham, because their STORY is different. You are claiming that God/Allah are not the same because the STORIES are different. Yet you THEN IGNORE all the differences between Christianity and Judaism and pretend that THOSE differences do NOT somehow alter God. Why? Because you are a bigot.
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Poor little yurtle.... running scared yet again....
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holy crap....this is why it is FUTILE to discuss the issue with you. they are changing the story of god by changing who god is and what he has done, hence, changing god.
further, let us assume it is not changing god, are you actually stupid enough to claim there is such a huge difference between changing the words of god and altering god, such that one is bigoted and one is not. muslims believe changing the word of god is EVIL. but oh no, that is not bigoted. and once again, you FAIL to use the definition to back up your dumb statement.
you're so desperate for a win here you're being completely stupid.
further, let us assume it is not changing god, are you actually stupid enough to claim there is such a huge difference between changing the words of god and altering god, such that one is bigoted and one is not. muslims believe changing the word of god is EVIL. but oh no, that is not bigoted. and once again, you FAIL to use the definition to back up your dumb statement.
you're so desperate for a win here you're being completely stupid.
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wow....you are completely spazzing out. you made the post at 10:52 and then at 10:52 you claim i'm running scared "again"....lmao. i never ran from anything. you do realize people don't live on the board 24/7, well, except for legion.
you're such a retarded spazz.
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as usual, the liar comes walking in with school yard taunts. grow up.
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Christian's did not alter the God of Judaism. Christian's believe that Christ is the Messiah promised in the OT- Most first century Christian's were Jews.
differences and similarities between Islam and Christianity.
differences and similarities between Islam and Christianity.
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this response by spazzfreak was SEVENTEEN HOURS after my post. i don't respond to his posts for a couple of hours because i'm not online and he claims i'm running or hiding. what does that say about your 17 hours SF?
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