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The History and Meaning of "Palestine" and "Palestinians"
"There is no such thing as a Palestinian Arab nation . . . Palestine is a name the Romans gave to Eretz Yisrael with the express purpose of infuriating the Jews . . . . Why should we use the spiteful name meant to humiliate us?
"The British chose to call the land they mandated Palestine, and the Arabs picked it up as their nation's supposed ancient name, though they couldn't even pronounce it correctly and turned it into Falastin a fictional entity."
Golda Meir quoted by Sarah Honig, Jerusalem Post, 25 November 1995
Palestine has never existed . . . as an autonomous entity. There is no language known as Palestinian. There is no distinct Palestinian culture. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc.
Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of one percent of the landmass. But that's too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today . . . No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough.
from "Myths of the Middle East" <../septoct00/myths.html>, Joseph Farah, Arab-American editor and journalist, WorldNetDaily, 11 October 2000
From the end of the Jewish state in antiquity to the beginning of British rule, the area now designated by the name Palestine was not a country and had no frontiers, only administrative boundaries . . . .
Professor Bernard Lewis, Commentary Magazine, January 1975
Talk and writing about Israel and the Middle East feature the nouns "Palestine" and Palestinian", and the phrases "Palestinian territory" and even "Israeli-occupied Palestinian territory". All too often, these terms are used with regard to their historical or geographical meaning, so that the usage creates illusions rather than clarifies reality.
Much more factual history instead of propaganda at this link:
http://www.habluetzel.com/palestinian.htm
"There is no such thing as a Palestinian Arab nation . . . Palestine is a name the Romans gave to Eretz Yisrael with the express purpose of infuriating the Jews . . . . Why should we use the spiteful name meant to humiliate us?
"The British chose to call the land they mandated Palestine, and the Arabs picked it up as their nation's supposed ancient name, though they couldn't even pronounce it correctly and turned it into Falastin a fictional entity."
Golda Meir quoted by Sarah Honig, Jerusalem Post, 25 November 1995
Palestine has never existed . . . as an autonomous entity. There is no language known as Palestinian. There is no distinct Palestinian culture. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc.
Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of one percent of the landmass. But that's too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today . . . No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough.
from "Myths of the Middle East" <../septoct00/myths.html>, Joseph Farah, Arab-American editor and journalist, WorldNetDaily, 11 October 2000
From the end of the Jewish state in antiquity to the beginning of British rule, the area now designated by the name Palestine was not a country and had no frontiers, only administrative boundaries . . . .
Professor Bernard Lewis, Commentary Magazine, January 1975
Talk and writing about Israel and the Middle East feature the nouns "Palestine" and Palestinian", and the phrases "Palestinian territory" and even "Israeli-occupied Palestinian territory". All too often, these terms are used with regard to their historical or geographical meaning, so that the usage creates illusions rather than clarifies reality.
Much more factual history instead of propaganda at this link:
http://www.habluetzel.com/palestinian.htm
Dixie - In Memoriam
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Look, you goofy fucker... IF I believe that Santa Claus is a man who brings presents on Christmas, and you believe Santa Claus is a serial killer who murders people on Christmas night... do we believe in the SAME entity? Hardly! We might call the entity by the same name, but what be believe about that entity is completely and totally different. Such is the case with Muslims and Christians, regarding the God of Abraham. Allah is NOT the same as God worshiped by Christians! To use your quip... you can stomp your feet all you like, it isn't going to make them the same!
It's always fascinating to read understandings and interpretations of God from people who don't understand or comprehend God.
Dixie - In Memoriam
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Sorry, but it's more than a story written in a book. God's promise to the Jews predates the Bible, or did you not know that? In fact, it's at least 2,000 years older than events depicted in the New Testament.
It doesn't matter how many years someone lives on land that doesn't belong to them, it doesn't make it theirs, or give them any rights to ownership whatsoever. What the fuck is wrong with you? Can I come camp out in your back yard, then lay claim to your house because I lived in your back yard? That's how fucking stupid you are being here.
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supertweak is a fucking moron
saying they altered god is not bigotry.
saying they altered god is not bigotry.
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When Jews and Christians brought arguments against Muhammad and his
followers on the basis of what their scriptures taught, however,
Muslims had to account for the discrepancies. How could the text
of the Old and New Testaments contradict that of the Qur'an if the
latter was a confirmation of the former?
A number of responses to the problem are found in the Medinan
'suras'. The Jews are accused of knowingly perverting the word of
God after having heard and understood it (2:75). Some actually
"write the Book with their own hands and then say, 'This is from
God'" (2:79); these "transgressors changed the word from that which
had been given them" (2:59). Others corrupt the text by displacing
words, changing them from their right places (4:46, 5:14), or by
"twisting" their tongues and reading it incorrectly:
There is among them a section who distort the Book with
their tongues. (As they read) you would think it is a
part of the Book, but it is no part of the Book; and they
say, "That is from God," but it is not from God. (3:78)
Of the Jews there are those who displace words ...
and say: "We hear and we disobey ... with a twist
of their tongues.... (4:46)
http://answering-islam.org/Intro/comparison.html
according to SF, islam is bigoted.
lol
followers on the basis of what their scriptures taught, however,
Muslims had to account for the discrepancies. How could the text
of the Old and New Testaments contradict that of the Qur'an if the
latter was a confirmation of the former?
A number of responses to the problem are found in the Medinan
'suras'. The Jews are accused of knowingly perverting the word of
God after having heard and understood it (2:75). Some actually
"write the Book with their own hands and then say, 'This is from
God'" (2:79); these "transgressors changed the word from that which
had been given them" (2:59). Others corrupt the text by displacing
words, changing them from their right places (4:46, 5:14), or by
"twisting" their tongues and reading it incorrectly:
There is among them a section who distort the Book with
their tongues. (As they read) you would think it is a
part of the Book, but it is no part of the Book; and they
say, "That is from God," but it is not from God. (3:78)
Of the Jews there are those who displace words ...
and say: "We hear and we disobey ... with a twist
of their tongues.... (4:46)
http://answering-islam.org/Intro/comparison.html
according to SF, islam is bigoted.
lol
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The Almighty
Yes. Use the same comment on a live person. If you believe Obama is the Anti-Christ and Dung believes he is the Messiah.... you both still are referring to the SAME ENTITY. The fact that your PERSONAL OPINIONS on said entity are different doesn't change that fact.
Wrong again moron. Saying that they believe different things ABOUT the entity doesn't change the FACT that they are both talking about the God of Abraham.
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allah vs. god
http://www.erguncaner.com/home/resources/images/Jehovah_vs-_Allah.pdf
they are not the same
http://www.erguncaner.com/home/resources/images/Jehovah_vs-_Allah.pdf
they are not the same
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The Almighty
It is still a story in a book. Written by MEN who supposedly got the story from God. Amazing how the stories bend towards those who wrote them.
Tell me genius.... If I own a home and then depart (for whatever reason), you and your descendants live on it for hundreds of years, you are suggesting that my heirs can come and kick you off of it provided I make sure and claim that God mandated that land to me and my heirs? Just need to make the claim in advance, say it was a message from God? Understood. Now get the fuck out of your home and move out of this country. The Native Americans would like their land back.
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Yes, it is moron. Not a single one of us here can prove or disprove God's existence, let alone say WHICH version of 'God' is correct. So for you to claim and stick to the claim that it is the Muslims that 'altered God' is most certainly bigoted. You are prejudiced in your views and are showing said prejudice against Muslims.
You again..... made the claim that Muslims 'altered God' by claiming he had no son. Yet the Jews also do not believe God had a son. So in reality, it was the Christians who 'altered God'. The Muslims AGREE with the Jews on the point.
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Dixie - In Memoriam
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Completely different.. apples and oranges. If you have a counterfeit $100 bill, is it "the same" as a regular bill? It looks the same, it appears to be the same... but is it the same? In your goofy mind, it is the same! Muslims CLAIM to believe in the God of Abraham, but they ALSO CLAIM Abraham was a Muslim... in fact, the "perfect" Muslim! Even though Abraham predates Islam by several thousand years.
Again, yes it most certainly DOES! We're not talking about a physical entity which can be defined through observation, we are talking about a spiritual entity, and EVERYTHING about that entity is entailed in what is believed about them. You're basically trying to argue that Christians and Muslims believe the same thing, and they most certainly don't.
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Seriously? You are a fucking idiot.
Again, they have different views and there are many who proclaim that the 'other' religion is wrong with a certainty that is bigoted. But you cannot condemn an entire religion as bigoted for the beliefs of the extremes. You fucking idiot.
Dixie - In Memoriam
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Not if you have historic records on your side! We KNOW for a fucking FACT that Islam didn't exist during the time of Abraham... how the hell can be be a Muslim? They have re-written facts of history, historic accounts, and made them in the image they wish to portray, and you, being the incurious dullard you are, with absolutely NO interest in religion of any kind, accept their lies and misconceptions and attempt to put them on the same table as Christian viewpoints. You are a fucking idiot and fool who has bought a LIE!
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dude....those are from their HOLY writings, the hadiths. the hadiths have as much authority as the quran.
your ignorance is astonishing. further, believing someone altered something is not bigoted. it does not even come close to the definition. you're out of your league.
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Islam did not come out of Abraham. Arabs came out of Abraham. You're as confused as the muslims.
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LMAO... no moron... it is the same thing as the discussion of God. Just because different people believe different things about God doesn't mean they are not referring to the same entity.
The apples and oranges is your absurd counterfeit bill analogy above. There you are talking about two distinctly separate bills. To make your analogy apples to apples, one person would claim the bill counterfeit while another claimed it was real. Both then would still be referring to the same piece of paper, but would have different views as to the validity of the paper.
Yes and many Christians CLAIM Jesus was a white guy. So is Christanity a complete sham because of that belief ditzie?
No moron, that is where you are 100% wrong. Otherwise you would be making the same bullshit claims regarding the differences between Jews and Christians. How can they BOTH be talking about the same God with all of the differences between those two religions ditzie? Thanks for again demonstrating the bigotry you and Yurt hold so dear.
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Why don't you try your knowledge of Christianity, Judaism and Islam on me. The fact is you don't know squat. Islam did not come out of Abraham, while Judaism and Christianity did. Christians and Jews both believe in Jehovah, the Jews just don't believe Jesus is the Messiah. Islam did not come from Abraham and I'm ready and willing to show you that.
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Yes moron, I know they have such passages.... as does the bible.... and yes, saying that somehow they don't believe in the God of Abraham simply because they have a different view of that God is bigoted. Especially when you again don't hold the same standard to the differences between Jews and Christians. You are making this shit up as you go because you know you have outed yourself with your bigotry.
Deuteronomy 13:6If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; 7Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; 8Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: 9But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. 10And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
Deuteronomy 13: 13Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known; 14Then shalt thou enquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you; 15Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword.
Deuteronomy 17:3And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 4And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel: 5Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.
2 Chronicles 15:13That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.
Romans 1:21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.