Obama can't say how many jobs will be created

Obama Hazza Crayon

Is it water colors or a coloring book?

Just asking in case Congress needed crayons or paint brushes.


You know that if he gets this pile of tax and spending bill passed he will claim he saved the economy and 2 Billion Jobs. And if he doesn't lay those claims Chris Matthews and the rest of the pukes will.

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Plans that pretend to offer an actual number of jobs that will be created are bullshit plans that are lying about something there's a great deal of non-determinism about.
 
i don't think anyone can accurately predict the actual number of jobs. but if you are going to garner support for a bill that costs half a trillion dollars and title it a "jobs" bill, i don't think an estimate is to much to ask for. imo, it shows obama has no clue and just believes throwing money around will solve any problem.
 
Yurt said:
i don't think anyone can accurately predict the actual number of jobs. but if you are going to garner support for a bill that costs half a trillion dollars and title it a "jobs" bill, i don't think an estimate is to much to ask for. imo, it shows obama has no clue and just believes throwing money around will solve any problem.
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The only reason the GOP wants an estimate is to either slam the bill as not producing enough jobs if they make a conservative estimate or to slam Obama if the bill passes and estimate was too high (like the unemployment numbers in 2009). Pretending that this political gimmickry has any actual substantive merit is stupid.
 
The last time the GOP controlled the White House and promised jobs, things didn't work out either, did they?
 
David St. Hubbins said:
The only reason the GOP wants an estimate is to either slam the bill as not producing enough jobs if they make a conservative estimate or to slam Obama if the bill passes and estimate was too high (like the unemployment numbers in 2009). Pretending that this political gimmickry has any actual substantive merit is stupid.
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who says only the gop wants estimates? do you have a link for that. if no democrat wants an estimate, dems are more sheep than i thought.

you're actually making this a political gimmick by claiming that obama won't give an estimate because he is afraid he will be wrong and thus it will be used against him. because of this fear, we must just blindly accept that it will create "jobs"....maybe 3 jobs, but hey, he can claim it created jobs. if you can't give a rough estimate on the number of jobs you think will be created from a bill that cost a half trillion dollars, something is wrong with that picture. he either has no faith in the bill or is just plain ignorant and believes blindly that throwing money around fix things and more importantly knows that throwing money around like that will likely create some temporary jobs and appease his base.

:rolleyes:
 
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The last time the GOP controlled the White House and promised jobs, things didn't work out either, did they?
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it would be nice if you would stop derailing threads with your constant spam.

now, where are the jobs obama and the dems promised? you act as if only the gop promised jobs.
 
Yurt said:
who says only the gop wants estimates? do you have a link for that. if no democrat wants an estimate, dems are more sheep than i thought.

you're actually making this a political gimmick by claiming that obama won't give an estimate because he is afraid he will be wrong and thus it will be used against him. because of this fear, we must just blindly accept that it will create "jobs"....maybe 3 jobs, but hey, he can claim it created jobs. if you can't give a rough estimate on the number of jobs you think will be created from a bill that cost a half trillion dollars, something is wrong with that picture. he either has no faith in the bill or is just plain ignorant and believes blindly that throwing money around fix things and more importantly knows that throwing money around like that will likely create some temporary jobs and appease his base.

:rolleyes:
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I don't know why you give a shit about a jobs estimate when you reject the economic principles on which such estimates are based.

The other trouble with these sorts of estimates is the baseline. Not only do you have to accurately predict what the jobs bill will do but you have to accurately predict what the economy would do in the absence of the jobs bill. If you get the baseline wrong and are too optimistic you end up with a bunch of know-nothing jackasses that don't know their asses from their elbows claiming that the jobs bill did nothing or made the economy worse. Sound familiar?
 
David St. Hubbins said:
I don't know why you give a shit about a jobs estimate when you reject the economic principles on which such estimates are based.

The other trouble with these sorts of estimates is the baseline. Not only do you have to accurately predict what the jobs bill will do but you have to accurately predict what the economy would do in the absence of the jobs bill. If you get the baseline wrong and are too optimistic you end up with a bunch of know-nothing jackasses that don't know their asses from their elbows claiming that the jobs bill did nothing or made the economy worse. Sound familiar?
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he said the jobs would have shovel ready jobs. he specifically mentioned some areas in which jobs would be created. making an estimate based on the amount of money spent is not that difficult. businesses do it all the time. you're too much of an apologist for obama and too ready to make excuses for him.
 
Yurt said:
he said the jobs would have shovel ready jobs. he specifically mentioned some areas in which jobs would be created. making an estimate based on the amount of money spent is not that difficult. businesses do it all the time. you're too much of an apologist for obama and too ready to make excuses for him.
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Here's an estimate:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...-million-jobs/2011/08/25/gIQAXxmfNK_blog.html

What's wrong with that one?

It's obvious why the Administration isn't putting out an estimate and leaving it to others to do it. If you want to call me an apologist for pointing out the blindingly obvious go right ahead.
 
David St. Hubbins said:
Here's an estimate:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...-million-jobs/2011/08/25/gIQAXxmfNK_blog.html

What's wrong with that one?

It's obvious why the Administration isn't putting out an estimate and leaving it to others to do it. If you want to call me an apologist for pointing out the blindingly obvious go right ahead.
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we get it, you're apologizing for obama being too afraid to put an estimate out there in a bill specifically about jobs. way to sell your plan, allow others to do your work for you.

:rolleyes:
 
Yurt said:
we get it, you're apologizing for obama being too afraid to put an estimate out there in a bill specifically about jobs. way to sell your plan, allow others to do your work for you.

:rolleyes:
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I'm sure the GOP would accept Obama's word on it rather than the word of independent analysts, particularly in light of their praise of the estimates his administration put out for the 2009 stimulus. Under the circumstances, what upside is there for Obama to put out his own estimates when the independent analysts will put out their own estimates anyway?
 
David St. Hubbins said:
I'm sure the GOP would accept Obama's word on it rather than the word of independent analysts, particularly in light of their praise of the estimates his administration put out for the 2009 stimulus. Under the circumstances, what upside is there for Obama to put out his own estimates when the independent analysts will put out their own estimates anyway?
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who gives a rats patooey what the gop thinks. are you guys that afraid of the gop? good lord, you don't care about selling this to american people, all you care about is making sure obama uses this an election ploy and lord forbid obama is ever wrong.
 
Yurt said:
who gives a rats patooey what the gop thinks. are you guys that afraid of the gop? good lord, you don't care about selling this to american people, all you care about is making sure obama uses this an election ploy and lord forbid obama is ever wrong.
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The GOP is in control of the House of Representatives and can more than 40 votes in the Senate. Under the circumstances, what the GOP thinks unfortunately matters.

And giving the GOP "Obama's estimates" to attack instead of the estimates of independent analysts would be the worst way to sell the thing to the American public. Without "Obama estimates," the debate is between Congressional Republicans and mainstream economists. That's the best way to sell it because the media will be hard-pressed to report it as a "Obama says X, while the GOP says Y" but instead will be forced report is as "economists say X, while the GOP says Y."

You can disagree if you wish, but I'm somewhat skeptical that you are genuinely concerned that Obama is not doing his level best to get the thing passed and to sell it to the American public.
 
David St. Hubbins said:
The GOP is in control of the House of Representatives and can more than 40 votes in the Senate. Under the circumstances, what the GOP thinks unfortunately matters.

And giving the GOP "Obama's estimates" to attack instead of the estimates of independent analysts would be the worst way to sell the thing to the American public. Without "Obama estimates," the debate is between Congressional Republicans and mainstream economists. That's the best way to sell it because the media will be hard-pressed to report it as a "Obama says X, while the GOP says Y" but instead will be forced report is as "economists say X, while the GOP says Y."

You can disagree if you wish, but I'm somewhat skeptical that you are genuinely concerned that Obama is not doing his level best to get the thing passed and to sell it to the American public.
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he is passing the buck as usual and refusing to take responsibility for his ideas. pretty weak leadership. if he can't be bothered to give estimates, which are easy, then he has no business selling a jobs bill. like i said, which you ignore, this is not difficult. i find it hard to believe if obama estimates a few hundred thousand jobs that the gop would rail against. if they did, they would look stupid and it would be a win for obama. if he is so weak he has to rely on others to claim it is 1.4 million, and then if that number is egregious, which it likely is, then he isn't much of a leader and doesn't really have a strong belief in his plan.
 
Yurt said:
he is passing the buck as usual and refusing to take responsibility for his ideas. pretty weak leadership. if he can't be bothered to give estimates, which are easy, then he has no business selling a jobs bill. like i said, which you ignore, this is not difficult. i find it hard to believe if obama estimates a few hundred thousand jobs that the gop would rail against. if they did, they would look stupid and it would be a win for obama. if he is so weak he has to rely on others to claim it is 1.4 million, and then if that number is egregious, which it likely is, then he isn't much of a leader and doesn't really have a strong belief in his plan.
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Whatever.
 
Well, since he's already saved more jobs than there are Americans, we can rest assured that this "new focus" on jobs will save still more jobs.
 
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