Laymans guide to Obama's jobs speech tonight....

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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...he-president-s-jobs-speech-caroline-baum.html

A must read for those wishing to prepare themselves for the great Dem Hype machine that takes stage right before the real event of the evening .... the return of the NFL

 

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I wonder if the Obama will have read this prior to tonight.... hopefully he does so that he can blame Bush for it....

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-09-08/oecd-cuts-growth-forecasts-for-u-s-japan.html

 

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I notice the margin of error doesn't lend any certainty to it... That sucks.

 

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I notice the margin of error doesn't lend any certainty to it... That sucks.

Yeah, that is the problem with the market right now. It certainly has the potential to grow, but DC is screwing things up over and over and over again.

The Great Obama jobs plan....

1) Extend unemployment benefits AGAIN.... will not stimulate anything, at best will maintain status quo
2) Extend the payroll tax cut... will not stimulate anything, at best will maintain status quo
3) Infrastructure.... the 'I promise they are shovel ready this time' part of the plan.... this could stimulate if, as the article suggests, the red tape is cut

 

[Damocles]

Yeah, that is the problem with the market right now. It certainly has the potential to grow, but DC is screwing things up over and over and over again.

The Great Obama jobs plan....

1) Extend unemployment benefits AGAIN.... will not stimulate anything, at best will maintain status quo
2) Extend the payroll tax cut... will not stimulate anything, at best will maintain status quo
3) Infrastructure.... the 'I promise they are shovel ready this time' part of the plan.... this could stimulate if, as the article suggests, the red tape is cut

As for 3... They need more than just repairing bridges. A plan to build new infrastructure, let's say like NG pipelines, would be something that may give a longer-term "stimulus" and provide something we could use in the future to benefit us all.

My guess is we'll not get anything like that because LNG for cars isn't even on the radar of this Administration.

 

[Damocles]

Yeah, that is the problem with the market right now. It certainly has the potential to grow, but DC is screwing things up over and over and over again.

The Great Obama jobs plan....

1) Extend unemployment benefits AGAIN.... will not stimulate anything, at best will maintain status quo
2) Extend the payroll tax cut... will not stimulate anything, at best will maintain status quo
3) Infrastructure.... the 'I promise they are shovel ready this time' part of the plan.... this could stimulate if, as the article suggests, the red tape is cut

As for 3... They need more than just repairing bridges. A plan to build new infrastructure, let's say like NG pipelines, would be something that may give a longer-term "stimulus" and provide something we could use in the future to benefit us all.

My guess is we'll not get anything like that because LNG for cars isn't even on the radar of this Administration.

 

[Damocles]

My question is: If this was so danged important that he had to get a Joint Session why is he splitting it up into pieces and giving it in different venues? How could it wait while he was on vacation if it was really that important?

 

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As for 3... They need more than just repairing bridges. A plan to build new infrastructure, let's say like NG pipelines, would be something that may give a longer-term "stimulus" and provide something we could use in the future to benefit us all.

My guess is we'll not get anything like that because LNG for cars isn't even on the radar of this Administration.

Agreed. Neither party is really looking at anything beyond November 2012. All they are looking at is the short term push to get the problem beyond the next election. The problem is that our capability to push the problem into the future is becoming more and more expensive.

 

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As for 3... They need more than just repairing bridges. A plan to build new infrastructure, let's say like NG pipelines, would be something that may give a longer-term "stimulus" and provide something we could use in the future to benefit us all.

My guess is we'll not get anything like that because LNG for cars isn't even on the radar of this Administration.

Natural gas should be used to convert coal burning electric plants, and to fuel long distance trucks.

The majority of cars should be electric, which is on this administration's agenda.

Electricity is the only fuel that many home owners can produce themselves.

 

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Natural gas should be used to convert coal burning electric plants, and to fuel long distance trucks.

The majority of cars should be electric, which is on this administration's agenda.

Electricity is the only fuel that many home owners can produce themselves.

While I don't oppose any solutions that will help reduce our dependency on foreign energy, I still fail to see how electric is the answer. You have obviously read up more on the electric cars than I have, so perhaps you can answer the following criticisms I keep hearing.

1) The grids as they exist today cannot handle the country shifting to electric

2) Electric cars do not (like most batteries) operate well in cold weather

3) The range an electric car can get between charges is far too limited for most of the country

4) If you are going to burn nat gas to produce the electricity anyway, how can it not be more efficient to just have nat gas cars given they would resolve all three of the above issues?

To be clear, I am not saying the above are true or not, just that they are criticisms I have heard and/or read with regards to electric cars

 

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It would be absolutely impossible for me to drive an electric car. First they do not operate in our winter weather, second, they would not have a long enough range for me to get to work and back.

One of the far more important items when considering electric cars is: Is this technology available? In this case it isn't. This is like saying we're going to replace consumer jets with airplanes that run on the batteries from our laptops. In the future we might be able to figure something out that could work, but at this time it just isn't there. In the interim we need to have something to fill that gap so we can get off the foreign energy teat.

It is stupid to insist we ignore the issue now so that we can work solely towards the solution he wants rather than one that actually exists. Imagine in California with brown outs, people getting stranded in their electric cars on the highway...

 

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It would be absolutely impossible for me to drive an electric car. First they do not operate in our winter weather, second, they would not have a long enough range for me to get to work and back.

One of the far more important items when considering electric cars is: Is this technology available? In this case it isn't. This is like saying we're going to replace consumer jets with airplanes that run on the batteries from our laptops. In the future we might be able to figure something out that could work, but at this time it just isn't there. In the interim we need to have something to fill that gap so we can get off the foreign energy teat.

It is stupid to insist we ignore the issue now so that we can work solely towards the solution he wants rather than one that actually exists. Imagine in California with brown outs, people getting stranded in their electric cars on the highway...

What would work for you isn't necessarily what might work for others. Electric cars aren't a replacement, they are a supplement and help to decrease reliance on oil as the means of transportation. Pretending that the goal is to replace gas powered engines with electric cars is nonsense.

 

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Natural gas should be used to convert coal burning electric plants, and to fuel long distance trucks.

The majority of cars should be electric, which is on this administration's agenda.

Electricity is the only fuel that many home owners can produce themselves.

What would work for you isn't necessarily what might work for others. Electric cars aren't a replacement, they are a supplement and help to decrease reliance on oil as the means of transportation. Pretending that the goal is to replace gas powered engines with electric cars is nonsense.

not according to dune

 

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if the majority of cars are to be electric, we are going to need more nuclear plants.

 

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What would work for you isn't necessarily what might work for others. Electric cars aren't a replacement, they are a supplement and help to decrease reliance on oil as the means of transportation. Pretending that the goal is to replace gas powered engines with electric cars is nonsense.

Which was my point, we need to take more than one approach. However this President says that he's open to new ideas, and he sort of is... hearing them that is. He implements nothing, promotes companies for the "new green economy" that later declare bankruptcy and has, so far, given no workable solution at all. The "new green economy" might actually come some day, but we need a plan for now not "some day"...