The Obama recession is by far the worst since WWII

[Onceler]

i find it humorous that onceler claims bush did not have any "real" economic policies, yet, onceler never says boo about the lefties who claim bush was responsible vis a vis his economic policies for the economy collapsing.

what onceler is saying is, the lefties are WRONG to blame bush's economic policies, because, well.....he didn't have any.

I said from the beginning that I didn't think tax cuts constituted an economic policy. When lefties talk about him harming the economy, they mainly talk about his tax cuts. I don't as much; I talk about the fact that he was basically absent on economic policy.

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

Allowing Tax Cuts For The Rich To Expire Will Not "Adversely Affect Small Business And Job Growth."


According to the Congressional Research Service, "Research has shown that tax cuts directed to high income taxpayers have a small stimulative effect because they tend to save any additional income. Increasing tax rates for the richest 2% of taxpayers (by allowing the high income tax cuts to expire) will likely neither significantly decrease consumer expenditures nor adversely affect small business and job growth."


Congressional Research Service, 10/27/10

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

you claimed helping them was not a national economic policy, thus, they don't help the nation on a national scale. which is wrong btw, as they effect the entire nation. i think you're first person i've ever heard claim helping farmers has nothing do with national economic policy. in fact, no, you are the first person i know to claim that. the economic policies involving farmers through multiple presidencies are all about the national economy. i'm surprised you don't this since you claim to have so much knowledge about the economy as compared to myself.

you have YET to say what YOU think is a national economic policy. kind of interesting that you refused to explain what would satisfy you.

Um, no. You are not being intellectually honest, which again, is no surprise. From the beginning, you have made it clear that your only goal is a "gotcha" of some sort...i.e. "if I can name just one policy."

The larger picture is that Bush was absent. And he was.

you missed that post replying to STY.

and no, i am being brutally honest with you. if you think you can make a claim and then not get called on it, then why are you here? everytime someone calls you out for being wrong, it is a "gotcha" moment. that is not the way it works. if you're going to step and debate and issue, then don't such a softie when someone disagrees with you. and calling bullshit to claims is not a gotcha moment.

i have been intellectually honest from the start, and so far you have as well. you are, however, moving the goal posts. you started with "completely absent" from economic policies. then you went to "national" economic policies. and then you went to economic "vision".

you have yet to explain what exactly you mean by "national" economic policy. because his tax plan effected the entire nation. his farm economic plan effected the entire nation. stop moving goal posts and explain what you mean.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

I guess the larger point is that Bush didn't have an economic vision. You can say he saw Americans paying less in taxes, and he certainly did, but that this was the limit of his vision on the economy. He just wasn't there otherwise.

I might be inclined to agree with that. cheney was probably the driving force behind any economic policy, but I see that as being nothing more than ways to support a neocon agenda for world power.

 

[Onceler]

you missed that post replying to STY.

and no, i am being brutally honest with you. if you think you can make a claim and then not get called on it, then why are you here? everytime someone calls you out for being wrong, it is a "gotcha" moment. that is not the way it works. if you're going to step and debate and issue, then don't such a softie when someone disagrees with you. and calling bullshit to claims is not a gotcha moment.

i have been intellectually honest from the start, and so far you have as well. you are, however, moving the goal posts. you started with "completely absent" from economic policies. then you went to "national" economic policies. and then you went to economic "vision".

you have yet to explain what exactly you mean by "national" economic policy. because his tax plan effected the entire nation. his farm economic plan effected the entire nation. stop moving goal posts and explain what you mean.

You haven't been honest at all. I said that a policy to help beet farmers doesn't equal an "economic policy" on the scale that I'm talking about, and you turned it around & said that I don't think farmers are important to the nation. That's a complete twist of what I said, which again, is fairly typical.

I said he was absent on economic policy. I haven't waivered from that. He had no economic vision, or comprehensive plan. What about that is so hard to understand? You think finding a policy like one to help beet farmers would be some magnificent gotcha moment in that context...see! He had one! But you're dishonestly ignoring the larger point: he was absent from economic policy for America.

If you want to have a go at it, please describe his economic vision for me. If you can't, you lose.

 

[Minister of Truth]

You haven't been honest at all. I said that a policy to help beet farmers doesn't equal an "economic policy" on the scale that I'm talking about, and you turned it around & said that I don't think farmers are important to the nation.

I think that one might try and "beat" farmers, while they are busily planting "beets." Sorry, couldn't resist.

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

I guess the larger point is that Bush didn't have an economic vision. You can say he saw Americans paying less in taxes, and he certainly did, but that this was the limit of his vision on the economy. He just wasn't there otherwise.

I doubt people would have a hard time describing the economic vision of either Reagan or Clinton. I'd be surprised if anyone could describe Bush's, beyond just cutting taxes & hoping for the best....

Dude, why is it impossible to PM you?

 

[cancel2 2022]

You are so dumb always Blaming Whitey.

Obama had powers like a dictator and coulodn't get the job done, Obama has thrown this country into deeper debt while doing nothing to help anyone other than Wall St. bankers.

Sounds like your boy Obama is in over his head and isn't smart enough to figure anything out so he blames Bush.

I now see what the Mr. T stands for, Mister Thick!