Defend your second amendment rights

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Two people are dead after a gunman opened fire at a Carson City, Nev., Ihop restaurant, shooting eight people before killing himself.


"There's seven in surgery either at Renown Medical Center in Reno and in Carson City," said Chief Deputy Jack Freer.

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The shooting happened at about 9 a.m. at an IHOP. Seven people were wounded and investigators believe only one shooter was involved, said special agent Patrick Turner, spokesman for the FBI Nevada office in Las Vegas.


Carson City Sheriff Kenny Furlong said the gunman also was wounded and has been transported to a hospital. No names were released.


Local and state police and FBI agents descended on the scene on South Carson Street, also called U.S. 395, the state capital's main street. Yellow tape surrounded the parking lot at the restaurant, which is in a shopping complex near a Kohl's department store.


Witnesses said a man pulled up outside the IHOP in a blue minivan. He had a rifle and shot a man on a motorcycle, then walked inside the restaurant and started shooting, said Ralph Swagler, owner of Locals Barbecue in the same strip mall as the IHOP.


Swagler told the Reno Journal-Gazette that after several minutes, the man walked outside and began firing into the Locals Barbecue and an H&R Block in the strip mall.


http://abcnews.go.com/US/ihop-shooting-nevada-leaves-dead/story?id=14457713

 

[SmarterthanYou]

sounds like a bunch of people didn't care to exercise their 2nd Amendment, allowing themselves to be fish in a barrel.

 

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They should have returned fire, right, SmarterThanYou?

i would have. they should have as well. Nevada is an open carry state also, so i'd be willing to bet that the idiot gunman didn't take his own life until armed officers showed up at the scene. I'd also be willing to bet that he wouldn't have opened fire had he seen a dozen armed individuals OR, he wouldn't have gotten very far in to his massacre.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Here's some folks who took your advice.

your so called example is full of fail.

1) it's new york city. only cops, politicians, and extremely wealthy people are allowed to carry guns.
2) it was a shootout between cops and a criminal, not a criminal and armed citizens (since citizens don't get to exercise their rights in NYC)
3) cops are more likely to hit innocent bystanders than non cops. About 11% of police shootings kill an innocent person - about 2% of shootings by
citizens kill an innocent person. The odds of a defensive gun user killing an innocent
person are less than 1 in 26,000*.

*Shall Issue: The New Wave of Concealed Handgun Permit Laws, C. Cramer, and D. Kopel,
Independence Institute Issue Paper. October 17, 1994

 

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california, about 1% less restrictive than NYC.

again, fail.

 

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\\\legiontroll///'s logic can be summed up as this:

if someone breaks the law, americans should forfeit their constitutional rights

watch, he will not defend himself against that because he can't

 

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\\\legiontroll///'s logic can be summed up as this:

if someone breaks the law, americans should forfeit their constitutional rights

watch, he will not defend himself against that because he can't

as i predicted

 

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\\\legiontroll///'s logic can be summed up as this:

if someone breaks the law, americans should forfeit their constitutional rights

watch, he will not defend himself against that because he can't

still can't find a response? is google not helping you today? do you leftwing websites have nothing for you?

 

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Topeka Police are looking for two people involved in a shooting at Baby Dolls, 5300 S Topeka Boulevard.


Officers were called to the strip club at about 2:00 a.m.


Police say several shots were fired. At least two dozen cones to mark shell locations could be seen set up in the parking lot.


Authorities say a woman was taken to the hospital by a private vehicle. On the way to the hospital, that vehicle was believed to be involved in a minor hit and run accident...



http://www.wibw.com/home/headlines/129253783.html

seriously? another fail. it's kansas, which means there's hundreds of different local laws about guns, so nobody can be sure if they are breaking the law or not, so most people just don't carry to avoid the cops hassle.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

A gun-toting trio opened fire on a father and his 10-year-old son in the South Bronx before leading a cop on a wild chase that ended in a shootout, police said.

NYC again. major fail.

 

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A Wilmington man has been arrested and charged with killing his wife.

pretty sad when you can't trust your spouse to not kill you. guess they shouldn't have married then.

 

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pretty sad when you can't trust your spouse to not kill you. guess they shouldn't have married then.

should americans give up their constitutional rights because someone else broke the law?

 

[SmarterthanYou]

should americans give up their constitutional rights because someone else broke the law?

to paraphrase a liberal, yes. there should only be laws that ALLOW you to do stuff that is safe and can't hurt anyone or yourself. all other activities are illegal.

 

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to paraphrase a liberal, yes. there should only be laws that ALLOW you to do stuff that is safe and can't hurt anyone or yourself. all other activities are illegal.

ah..so the premise of this thread is fundamentally flawed? i mean, if someone incites violence and that violence kills someone, the thread premise is that we should have to defend our first amendment rights, eg, we should not have first amendment rights.

is that about right?

 

[SmarterthanYou]

ah..so the premise of this thread is fundamentally flawed? i mean, if someone incites violence and that violence kills someone, the thread premise is that we should have to defend our first amendment rights, eg, we should not have first amendment rights.

is that about right?

close. see, to liberals, first amendment rights are the MOST VALUABLE and sacred rights we have, provided you use them responsibly. which means that there should be laws that tell us what we can and cannot say.

 

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A mother is dead and a father is recovering from a gunshot wound after trying to come to their daughter’s rescue early Saturday morning as she was being attacked in her bedroom.


Oakland County Sheriff Mike Bouchard said a 19-year-old woman returned to her Whipple Lake Road home in Independence Township from a night out with friends around 2:40 a.m. to find a 25-year-old Holly man waiting for her in her room. He then assaulted her, grabbing her by the neck and choking her.


Bouchard said that the woman screamed and her mother came in the room to see what was going on and was shot in the neck by the suspect.


Upon hearing the gunshot, the woman’s father then came in and was shot in the shoulder.


The father was able to get away to attempt to get his own gun, but as he returned, the suspect shot himself in the chest.


The mother and father were transported to POH Regional Medical Center where the 56-year-old mother was later pronounced dead.


http://www.themorningsun.com/articles/2011/09/04/news/doc4e62ce9c0c9a5867506485.txt

fancy that, the criminal shot himself upon being faced with a gun. guess mom and dad should have entered with their gun first.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Five people are confirmed dead, and the suspect is believed to have shot and killed himself in Kentucky.


State police have released the names of the five victims: Charles Richardson, 49; his wife, Karen Richardson, 50; her children, Kevin Hudson, 17 and Katrina Hudson, 22 and an acquaintance, Robert Raber, 30. Katrina Hudson was pregnant, according to officials.



The suspect, Shayne Riggleman, 22, of Morgantown, was described by troopers as an acquaintance of the victims, but further details of their relationship were not released.

A motive for the killings has not been disclosed.

State police believe Riggleman used a high-powered rifle.

The bodies of the victims have been sent to the Medical Examiner's Office in Charleston.

After the shootings, Riggleman took a Jeep Cherokee that belonged to one of the victims and headed to the Fairchance, Pa. area to meet up with a girlfriend, police said. During that trip, Riggleman struck another vehicle. An elderly woman got out of the vehicle, and he struck her with the SUV he was driving. The woman was not killed, but her condition is unknown.

Riggleman then drove down Interstate 79, stopping in Roane County at an Exxon station. He severely wounded a man during an attempted carjacking at the gas station.

When Riggleman was cornered by officers in Lewis County, Ky., he killed himself.

Officers found a high-powered rifle, a second rifle and a .22 handgun in Riggleman's vehicle.
State police have searched Riggleman's home, talked to people who knew him and checked out his posts on social media websites, they said.



http://www.wboy.com/story.cfm?func=viewstory&storyid=107050

another moron kills himself when faced with a weapon. guess those victims should have been exercising their 2nd Amendment rights

 

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close. see, to liberals, first amendment rights are the MOST VALUABLE and sacred rights we have, provided you use them responsibly. which means that there should be laws that tell us what we can and cannot say.

but why would \\\/// start a thread about defending the second amendment, and then post story after story about gun crimes, if not to say that, if someone breaks the law, then we should give up our constitutional rights. why should we have to defend first amendment rights if someone breaks the law? same question goes for the second amendment, if someone breaks the law, why should we have to defend the second amendment at all? the second amendment has NOTHING to do with any story he has posted. the stories are red herrings.

the second amendment does not guarantee the right to murder.

 

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but why would \\\/// start a thread about defending the second amendment, and then post story after story about gun crimes, if not to say that, if someone breaks the law, then we should give up our constitutional rights. why should we have to defend first amendment rights if someone breaks the law? same question goes for the second amendment, if someone breaks the law, why should we have to defend the second amendment at all? the second amendment has NOTHING to do with any story he has posted. the stories are red herrings.

the second amendment does not guarantee the right to murder.

see, \\\/// is afraid of guns unless they are being carried by state costumed JBTs, he won't admit it, mind you, because otherwise he'd be left with an actual position to defend, which he cant'. but it's more fun for him this way.

 

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see, \\\/// is afraid of guns unless they are being carried by state costumed JBTs, he won't admit it, mind you, because otherwise he'd be left with an actual position to defend, which he cant'. but it's more fun for him this way.

oh, he is just trolling. he doesn't even realize the argument he made in the OP. makes sense.