Teacher Suspended For Free Speech

Yurt said:
damo already asked...

the issue here is whether the government can restrict speech on facebook. presumbly he is not in the classroom and not on the job. what if he was at a park and had 25 friends for a bbq and expressed the same views and someone from the school overheard this....do you hold the same opinion?
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Where is the government involved in this? His job became aware of his comments and thought that they conflicted with his job performance or situ. I'm retired. I can say anything I want to on FB, short of inciting violence or invoking treason, and suffer no consequences. He was beholden to a job and an employer. Now, you may ask if an employer has a right to fire or punish an employee for public comments...that is up for debate.
 
THere are limits to free speach, much like there limits to the right to bear arms.
 
Yurt said:
then you support the government's ability to restrict your speech off campus. please see post 18, i realize now i was the second person to ask you this.
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The first amendment protects freedom of speech...an employer may feel differently as it applies to one's job. The government wasn't in that fracas...why are you and othes trying to make this about government?
 
poet said:
Where is the government involved in this? His job became aware of his comments and thought that they conflicted with his job performance or situ. I'm retired. I can say anything I want to on FB, short of inciting violence or invoking treason, and suffer no consequences. He was beholden to a job and an employer. Now, you may ask if an employer has a right to fire or punish an employee for public comments...that is up for debate.
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the government is the school because the school is a public school. i understand his job became aware of the comments, hence, my hypothetical. i'm curious as to where you draw the line. at a public park, home, email etc. facebook could be somewhat analogous to making your comments in a public park.
 
No one is stopping him from speaking. But the schools also get to choose who they have working there. If they, the school board, do not want someone who feels the way he does working for them, should they be forced to keep him?
 
Yurt said:
the government is the school because the school is a public school. i understand his job became aware of the comments, hence, my hypothetical. i'm curious as to where you draw the line. at a public park, home, email etc. facebook could be somewhat analogous to making your comments in a public park.
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If someone overheard you making threats against the President of the United States...it wouldn't matter where you were, if someone decided to report your ass. You can't yell fire in a crowded theater. There are limits to what you can do or say, despite the 1st amendment.
 
poet said:
If someone overheard you making threats against the President of the United States...it wouldn't matter where you were, if someone decided to report your ass. You can't yell fire in a crowded theater. There are limits to what you can do or say, despite the 1st amendment.
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you're right, however, that doesn't answer my question at all.

what if he was at a park and had 25 friends for a bbq and expressed the same views and someone from the school overheard this....do you hold the same opinion?

as to "apparently"...that is not necessarily the case. if this guy goes to court and wins, then it would not be apparent.
 
Yurt said:
you're right, however, that doesn't answer my question at all.

what if he was at a park and had 25 friends for a bbq and expressed the same views and someone from the school overheard this....do you hold the same opinion?

as to "apparently"...that is not necessarily the case. if this guy goes to court and wins, then it would not be apparent.
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If he was at a bbq with friends and expressed his opinion that backs are inferior and should still be slaves, would he face disciplinary actions?
 
WinterBorn said:
If he was at a bbq with friends and expressed his opinion that backs are inferior and should still be slaves, would he face disciplinary actions?
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i don't know. as long as the views are not advocating anything illegal, why should the government be allowed to restrict the non official speech of a teacher? do you think that such speech should be restricted?
 
Yurt said:
you're right, however, that doesn't answer my question at all.

what if he was at a park and had 25 friends for a bbq and expressed the same views and someone from the school overheard this....do you hold the same opinion?

as to "apparently"...that is not necessarily the case. if this guy goes to court and wins, then it would not be apparent.
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Hearsay, is not admissible in a court of law. So it shouldn't be admissible in a hearing about a teacher. However, a confessional, in a public forum, such as facebook, would be.
 
poet said:
Depends. If he voices a pro-gay opinion, and is subsequently fired for expressing a liberal view, shouldn't he have thought about the repercussions, beforehand? One has to pick one's battles.
I tend to speak my mind on fb, as I do here. And since I'm beholding to no one, if someone doesn't like it...oh well.
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I just wanted to see if you were consistent. So, a teacher at any moment should never be considered a private citizen?
 
poet said:
Hearsay, is not admissible in a court of law. So it shouldn't be admissible in a hearing about a teacher. However, a confessional, in a public forum, such as facebook, would be.
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why are you still dodging the question with non sequiturs? once again:

what if he was at a park and had 25 friends for a bbq and expressed the same views and someone from the school overheard this....do you hold the same opinion?
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if you are unable to process the question, just say so. his comments on facebook are also hearsay IF used in a court of law. a hearing is not always in a court of law, thus your platitudes about evidence are likely irrelevant here unless the matter is in court. your conclusion about facebook is completely wrong and i have no idea where you came up with that. cite for me in federal or state rules of evidence where it states that "confessionals, in a public forum", is a hearsay exception, therefore admissible.
 
Facebook is the same as "THE PUBLIC SQUARE" where Americans have been sharing their thoughts from day one. This is nothing more than another effort by the far left to shut up Christians. It's not the difficult.
 
Damocles said:
I just wanted to see if you were consistent. So, a teacher at any moment should never be considered a private citizen?
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No. A teacher should be circumspect, and watch what he or she says, and where he or she says it. Are you for real?
 
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