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The Case for Republican Economic Sabotage
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You are an idiot. That article truthfully bares the black soul of conservatives.
Dixie - In Memoriam
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Nope... not what I said at all. In fact, the former addresses the later. The insuring of domestic tranquility, promoting the general welfare and securing the blessings of liberty, are what enable us as a society, to effectively cope with the needy. You see, in the socialist Eurotrash countries you are so fond of, people have to depend on government to take care of the needy, because they have limited freedom...limited domestic tranquility...limited blessings of liberty.
Now let's discuss your stupid comment that people are "starving and dying due to lack of medical care" ....where is this happening, in Canada, where you live?
Because here, there isn't that problem, we have over a million charity organizations in America, dedicated to helping those in need. If you know of someone personally, I'll be happy to pass their name along to one of these organizations, and I'm sure we can get them some assistance before the end of the day. And if it's a "life or death" emergency and they can't wait until the end of the day, they can go to any emergency room in America, and are legally entitled to treatment, regardless of their financial situation. Of course, if you can't come up with someone, we can assume you are spewing hyperbole.
apple0154
MEOW
Do you do any research on your computer or just hang out here? Not that there's anything wrong with hanging out here but do try to take something away so as to increase your extremely limited knowledge.
A Harvard study shows 45,000 Americans die each year due to a lack of proper medical care. Now, don't ask me for a link. I want you to find this yourself as training for future information. However, I will give you a hint. "Google"
Let me know how you're progressing and if you're stumped I'll give you another clue.
Oh, Dixie, if only it were true, that those who have would take care of those that don't, but it will never be the case because the more the greedy have, the more they want. It is like thinking that corporations will do the right thing and enforce themselves, or that our politicians represent the people, it is all just a shill game!
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Of all your misguided and outright deceitful bullshit, this is a prime example of where you refuse to acknowledge anything except the fact that you cling to your lies and misconceptions. WHO is it that demands vouchers? Government programs. WHO is it that demands massive paperwork, handled by uncaring functionaries? Government programs. WHO requires people show special program IDs and vouchers while checking out in line for all others in the store to see? Government programs. WHO is it that demeans the people who are in need? GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS.
OTOH, who allows people to pick up food in private, without any need to prove need, prove who they are, or any other demeaning processes? Conservative Christian and mostly-conservative run community help programs. Who runs their programs using volunteers, who are there because they care about people rather than getting their government paycheck? Conservative Christian and mostly-conservative run community help programs.
The thing is you depend on outright lies - not just misconceptions, but full-on outright LIES to defend your position on the status of conservatism and community assistance. You have your head so firmly planted up the ass of big government not even careful surgery could separate you. You are pathetic. You demonize good, hard working people because they disagree with your political philosophy. But your type are the ones who are saying that the needs of those less fortunate are not your job, but place it all on your precious big government, while conservatives are the ones out there, getting involved and helping out, yes, even those who have been around for only a few months. Need is need, regardless of how long the person has been around. And no one gets all upset if the beneficiary of good will ends up leaving soon after, because those efforts at rebuilding the home and making it look nice will be appreciated by the next one to come along.
The following is for demonstrative purposes only:
Your type, not conservatives, are the selfish ones. You are too selfish, self-involved, and outright lazy to get involved yourself. That might take real effort, and would require you dirty yourself getting to know the poor whom you love to demean while claiming you are on their side. Heaven forbid you should leave the comfort of your nice homes to go into a ghetto to help keep the infrastructure from completely falling apart. Heaven forbid you should waste your time at the local food bank, handing out boxes of food to people, giving them a smile and wishing them well, even a God Bless. You might catch something from those needy scum.
There, how does it feel to be demonized with ridiculous, exaggerated, and outright dishonest characterizations?
So, no I do NOT need to reassess who is the lying sack of shit.
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oh dune...why the silence?
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
Why are you afraid to answer this question: Tell me what the Democrat Party has to offer you, in your best interest.
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dune doesn't answer the tough questions, but when others don't answer his questions he gets pissy and constantly bumps the question until they answer.
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
dune doesn't answer the tough questions, but when others don't answer his questions he gets pissy and constantly bumps the question until they answer.
He's a useless POS then.
apple0154
MEOW
Obviously you misread my earlier post. I wrote, "In this day and age for people to have to go to a drop off center to pick up food to feed their family is nothing short of shameful. To impose on the needy citizens, citizens of the richest country in the world, to show vouchers for food is degrading and to accuse them of laziness and abuse is disgusting."
Those are things demanded from two sources. Obviously food banks/charities do not hand out government vouchers. The statement was to show what the needy have to go through. Number one: They have to go to food banks. Number two: They have to produce vouchers for food. I have said repeatedly that both situations are deplorable.
One more time. It is outrageous, disgusting, a moral crime that the needy have to go to a food bank or take vouchers to a store for food. Both "systems" are an affront to decent human beings. That is my point but to stop the government system and rely solely on food banks/charity is worse than the current two systems currently operating.
As for demonizing good, hard working people because they disagree with my political philosophy I demonize them because of the way they treat the poor. If they don't want to pay taxes to help the poor and feel they can handle it without the government, fine. Post a sign on the church or drop-off "center" letting people know they can bring their utility bills and the kind people at the "center" will pay them. Advise the people to bring a few shopping bags and they can do their weekly shopping at the "center". If they require shoes or other clothing items they can fill out a request form and, similar to ordering from a Sears catalog, pick up their items the following week.
I have no problem with that, at all. What I do have a problem with is the lying scum who say they don't want to pay taxes because the government wastes the money and if it's left up to them they'll look after everyone.
But, hey, I have the perfect solution. Get all those lying, greedy, selfish scum to show us. Show us ONE community where those so-called hard working saints have provided for the poor to the point where they do not require government assistance. ONE community in the entire country. And I won't expect 100% agreement among the needy. Say 80% feel the local charity/drop-off center has outperformed the government. 70%? What about 65%? Show me ONE community, anywhere in the entire country, where 65% of the poor feel the local charity/drop-off center has given them more help than the government.
If you can do that I'll even write your Congressman suggesting lower taxes. Deal?
I’ll be looking forward to seeing the community you find. It can be anywhere in the country. It can be a community with the highest level of household income or a community filled with movie stars or a community composed of multi-millionaire CEOs. Any community, anywhere in the country where drop-off centers and/or churches and/or charities have taken care of the needy to the point where they have surpassed government help.
I know you’ll put in great effort as you wouldn’t want to be known as a lying sa………, would you?
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him and legion to the exact same thing....so much of what they do is identical
Dixie - In Memoriam
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Doesn't say who's fault it is, or it was caused by inability to pay. As I correctly stated, every state has indigent care laws and MUST, BY LAW, treat anyone, regardless of ability to pay. If you die due to lack of proper medical care, it's pretty much your own stupid fault for not obtaining proper medical care, because it IS available.
I'm still waiting on a name.... don't see one in your post... must not be anyone you know who has this problem, huh?
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Can anyone say "strawman"? Where did I say conservatives out-do government? How CAN conservatives out-do government when government has the power to TAKE money from people, whereas conservative organizations can only ASK. But typical of the way you think - its still about government doing YOUR job as a decent, caring human being.
You make the claim that conservatives do not like high taxes and government programs because they are greedy selfish assholes. You ask why conservatives do not like big government programs. You were answered: conservatives give more in time and money to the causes of the needy, thereby proving the claim that conservatives are selfish is a lie. It was explained why conservatives do not like big government programs: they are wasteful, they spend as much if not more on their own bureaucracies than they do on the poor they're supposed to be helping, and federal programs are almost invariably designed to trap poor people in their system in order to garner political power from a helpless, government dependent populous. The data on charitable giving as well as how government programs work supports what I- and others - have tried to tell you. But you cannot accept these facts, can you? You have your nice, comfortable, big mommy government paradigm set in steel reinforced concrete about how you are the more compassionate because you want government to do the job for you, and conservatives are selfish because they prefer to take care of the needy through their own efforts. It is truly pathetic how tightly you cling to your lies.
Maybe if more LIBERALS, who claim to be the ones who actually CARE about the needy, while us uncaring selfish low-tax conservatives hate the needy, would start doing more than shoving their supposed commitments to the needy off on government, there would be that one community - or even a whole bunch of them - available. But since you are more than convinced that by supporting government programs, you are doing your part for the needy, that will never happen. One more item showing that when push comes to shove, liberals of your type hate the entire concept of personal responsibility of ANY kind.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/o...l=1&adxnnlx=1313460290-KDGU+ct17xzvpA0Ljyc3dg
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lol...wuss dunetroll can groan the post but can't answer the question, you should really stop repeatedly asking others to answer your questions hypocrite
i'll take that as i'm right and dune is nothing but a political shill troll
You are an idiot. I am not reading your posts, just groaning you tit for tat.
Now what is your stupid question?
Bfgrn
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What a HUGE pile of bullshit. 'Conservative Christian and mostly-conservative run community help programs.'... you are delusional. I already debunked your argument.
Are there some conservatives who help the poor and needy, yes. But the CORE of conservatism rejects the belief that a human being benefits from assistance. Conservatism is based on the strict father model of raising children. Liberalism is based on the nurturing parent model. The differences couldn't be GREATER in the area of how to help the poor and needy.
Conservatives believe in individual responsibility alone, not social responsibility. They don't think government should help its citizens. That is, they don't think citizens should help each other. The part of government they want to cut is not the military (we have 174 bases around the world), not government subsidies to corporations, not the aspect of government that fits their worldview. They want to cut the part that helps people. Why? Because that violates individual responsibility.
But where does that view of individual responsibility alone come from?
The way to understand the conservative moral system is to consider a strict father family. The father is The Decider, the ultimate moral authority in the family. His authority must not be challenged. His job is to protect the family, to support the family (by winning competitions in the marketplace), and to teach his kids right from wrong by disciplining them physically when they do wrong. The use of force is necessary and required. Only then will children develop the internal discipline to become moral beings. And only with such discipline will they be able to prosper. And what of people who are not prosperous? They don't have discipline, and without discipline they cannot be moral, so they deserve their poverty. The good people are hence the prosperous people. Helping others takes away their discipline, and hence makes them both unable to prosper on their own and function morally. ref.
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you're not groaning me tit for tat...you're simply groaning me. you've groaned the question at least 3 times and now you claim you don't know what it is....right
why is it you're ok with obama's over half billion dollar political war chest, but you want to get money out of gop politics? go ahead and groan this again instead of answering, because i'm sure it is all you're capable of.
christiefan915
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Where is the hard proof that Obama has a half-billion war chest?
I'm discounting bloggers on freerepublic, sodahead, Newsmax, etc.
I'm discounting bloggers on freerepublic, sodahead, Newsmax, etc.
I don't care a whit about GOP politics. The topic being discussed was the Tea Party, particularly the neo-cons. Smarter than Yurt said that steps were being taken to remove the neo-con influence. I want to know what these steps are. Pay attention, or don't get involved.