GOP Debate Tonight..

Dixie said:
Okay, but hypothetically speaking... what if the nominee is a moderate Republican? You would rather have 4 more years of Obama? Hey... at this point, if George W. Bush II were up there preaching compassionate conservatism, I think I'd take THAT over Obama! I'm like you, I have my standards and favorites, but I am not so immersed in my own personal ideology, as to sell the country down the river. .....If George W. Bush's DOG won the nomination, I would vote for it over Obama!
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In the primary I vote for the most conservative candidate, regardless of polling. In the general I vote for the more conservative candidate.
 
Liberty said:
The Texas budget has doubled while Perry has been in charge as gov.
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If this is true than other things I have heard about him become a bit less impressive. And I think that his particular public prayer was a political stunt to try to get him past the Bachmann Christian support. They'll split that support. Neither will be the candidate.
 
Damocles said:
If this is true than other things I have heard about him become a bit less impressive. And I think that his particular public prayer was a political stunt to try to get him past the Bachmann Christian support. They'll split that support. Neither will be the candidate.
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Perry isn't going to decrease gov't, cut the budget, or anything meaningful except maybe get rid of Obamacare. But that will be overturned before the election more than likely.

Perry wants to make a buck on putting things in your daughters arm that make her sick.

This fact, and others are going to be an issue in the near future.
 
Liberty said:
The Texas budget has doubled while Perry has been in charge as gov.
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Damocles said:
If this is true than other things I have heard about him become a bit less impressive.
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If he has increased the budget, lowered taxes, AND still has a balanced budget (actually I believe they have a not-insignificant surplus), I'd say that is one more point in favor of his economic policies. He has not had to resort to austerity in government spending to achieve a healthy economy. It's what conservatives have been saying since before the crash: (since Reagan, really). Tax cuts increase employment, and putting people back to work will raise tax revenues far more than a tax rate increase on the wealthy.

Before criticizing increasing the state budget, I'd first like to know what they're spending the money on.

Addendum: It seems the claim is that the state DEBT - not budget - has doubled during Perry's term in office. They are currently facing a $27 billion shortfall which recent budget bills are more-or-less using bookkeeping tricks to put off until the next legislative session in 2013. That is not going to look good to true fiscal conservatives.
http://www.elpasotimes.com/news/ci_17767046
 
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Good Luck said:
If he has increased the budget, lowered taxes, AND still has a balanced budget (actually I believe they have a not-insignificant surplus), I'd say that is one more point in favor of his economic policies. He has not had to resort to austerity in government spending to achieve a healthy economy. It's what conservatives have been saying since before the crash: (since Reagan, really). Tax cuts increase employment, and putting people back to work will raise tax revenues far more than a tax rate increase on the wealthy.

Before criticizing increasing the state budget, I'd first like to know what they're spending the money on.
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There's a lot to come out on Perry.

He's a big gov't guy, and he's about to get his *** handed to him.

I pray.
 
Threedee said:
I happen to like John Huntsman. Was it his politics or his actual debating which caused you to write him off, Dixie? I didn't catch the debate, so now I'm interested...
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With Huntsman, I think it's a variety of things... Most notably, he looks like someone on the verge of a mental breakdown... maybe he just looks that way naturally, but it is a quite disturbing attribute in a presidential candidate. In case you haven't noticed, the job of POTUS is extremely stressful... Imagine what Huntsman would look like if he made it through 4 years without having a breakdown? No one knows who he is, or really much about him, except that he worked for Obama... not the best reference to have on your resume. Then there is the whole pro-pot legalization thing... I know this is what attracts him to some libertarian pot head types, but the GOP isn't going to have pot legalization as their platform... sorry, just not going to happen. He has ZERO chance of winning the nomination, therefore, he is just taking up valuable speaking time of the other candidates.

Damn Yankee said:
In the primary I vote for the most conservative candidate, regardless of polling. In the general I vote for the more conservative candidate.
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And I do the same thing, as do most conservatives... problem is, there is a wide range of conservative. I fear conservatives falling into the mindset that [my candidate] HAS to win the nomination, in order to defeat Obama. I don't believe that, I think ANY of the nominees, all the way down to Huntsman, CAN beat Obama. Look.. I am the type of conservative who sees Herman Cain as the best choice... then Michelle Bachmann or Newt. I don't like Romney, he's probably one of my least favorites in the field, and I believe he would be akin to a McCain or Bush, as a 'conservative' president. That said, I would gladly vote for Romney over Obama. If that's the type of conservative our party nominates, that's the type of conservative I have to support, because defeating Obama is the most important thing. I fear conservative ideologues, who would refuse to vote for, say, Michelle Bachmann, because of her strong social conservatism. Now is not the time to get caught up in personal ideologies.. we are all different, and conservatives are different, but they aren't soicialist Marxists.
 
Weakest GOP field in ages. It's hard to believe that one of those people could easily be our next Prez.

What is w/ the process that this is the best we can do? Sad...
 
Good Luck said:
If he has increased the budget, lowered taxes, AND still has a balanced budget (actually I believe they have a not-insignificant surplus), I'd say that is one more point in favor of his economic policies. He has not had to resort to austerity in government spending to achieve a healthy economy. It's what conservatives have been saying since before the crash: (since Reagan, really). Tax cuts increase employment, and putting people back to work will raise tax revenues far more than a tax rate increase on the wealthy.

Before criticizing increasing the state budget, I'd first like to know what they're spending the money on.

Addendum: It seems the claim is that the state DEBT - not budget - has doubled during Perry's term in office. They are currently facing a $27 billion shortfall which recent budget bills are more-or-less using bookkeeping tricks to put off until the next legislative session in 2013. That is not going to look good to true fiscal conservatives.
http://www.elpasotimes.com/news/ci_17767046
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From what I've read a significant portion of his balanced budget came from "stimulus" money.
 
Here's what a Congressman has to say.

Gov. Perry has a fantastic personality, and he has a winning message. Most of the people when they hear him and they see him, they like what he has to say. He delivers a typical Texas no-nonsense message, and he’s a legitimate proven fiscal conservative.

He is a Texan and I support Texans. I think he would be a formidable candidate. If things sit as they are right now, I would support Rick Perry if he chooses to run.

In the current environment we have in the United States today, we are in the process of trying to keep ourselves from falling off of the cliff of economic despair because of the debt we have run up in the recent past. Texas has a balanced budget and the revenues are down in Texas. The governors can’t deficit spend and they have to make those hard choices. All the governors have had to do that and Rick Perry is the longest serving governor in our state.

http://www.politico.com/arena/archive/rick-perry-for-president-in-2012.html
 
Elect Perry 2012 said:
Here's what a Congressman has to say.

Gov. Perry has a fantastic personality, and he has a winning message. Most of the people when they hear him and they see him, they like what he has to say. He delivers a typical Texas no-nonsense message, and he’s a legitimate proven fiscal conservative.

He is a Texan and I support Texans. I think he would be a formidable candidate. If things sit as they are right now, I would support Rick Perry if he chooses to run.

In the current environment we have in the United States today, we are in the process of trying to keep ourselves from falling off of the cliff of economic despair because of the debt we have run up in the recent past. Texas has a balanced budget and the revenues are down in Texas. The governors can’t deficit spend and they have to make those hard choices. All the governors have had to do that and Rick Perry is the longest serving governor in our state.

http://www.politico.com/arena/archive/rick-perry-for-president-in-2012.html
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:confused:

You're not from Texas are you?

Nothing personal, but what state are you from?
 
Dixie said:
Okay, but hypothetically speaking... what if the nominee is a moderate Republican? You would rather have 4 more years of Obama? Hey... at this point, if George W. Bush II were up there preaching compassionate conservatism, I think I'd take THAT over Obama! I'm like you, I have my standards and favorites, but I am not so immersed in my own personal ideology, as to sell the country down the river. .....If George W. Bush's DOG won the nomination, I would vote for it over Obama!
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Anybody But Obama? Not a wise way to proceed, based on historical events. The democrats took the "Anybody But Bush" approach in '04 and ended up with that loser Kerry. We allow an "Anybody But Obama" attitude to develop we could end up with someone as bad, or end up losing, both of which the nation cannot afford at this juncture. We need to demand the BEST representative of fiscal conservative principles, rather than just accept whomever the RNC is willing to hand us.
 
Damocles said:
From what I've read a significant portion of his balanced budget came from "stimulus" money.
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Additional research is indicating a large portion of Perry's supposed conservative victories are, at best, exaggerations if not outright lies. My gut told me he is wrong when I first started to examine him as a candidate. Unfortunately I looked where most of the liberals were looking - at his faith based activities, and could not find anything I deemed overtly threatening. Sure he prays a lot, in public, and even invites (but to my knowledge has never demanded) others to pray with him. Men of strong faith often behave such, and I personally, being a man of not-so-strong faith, do not feel threatened by such. No way in hell he is getting past constitutional protections in that arena. I doubt he could even get school prayer reinstated with a republican super-majority in both houses of congress.

However, when I started looking into his fiscal conservative claims, I have found a whole lot I do not like, including many claims which are outright lies. He does NOT have a balanced budget unless he can get the state senate to approve the budget recently passed by the house. And that budget proposed and passed by the house is like the so-called surplus budget of the Clinton era - full of bookkeeping tricks, put-it-off-'til-next-time obfuscations, and bogus modifications on how they calculate property tax revenues. He has doubled the state debt while in office, indicating if he ever has had a balanced budget, they are few and far between. Not exactly the portrait of a real small-government, fiscal conservative.
 
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