S&P calls out the Republicans!

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Make no mistake about it you dimwitted yank (woops! Tautology!) Obama has changed the way the world sees your country.

You fucking got that right... the world no longer sees us as the invincible defenders of freedom who can kick your ass in a moment's notice, they see us as a weak pathetic remnant of the power we once were, cow-towing to the likes of France on the world stage, too afraid of 'offending' someone to be decisive and stand for what is right.

You had managed, under his leadership, to claw back some of the respect that bush had squandered.

Fuck you, no we didn't! There has not been one iota of "respect" from you, or any other Eurotrash asswipe out there, and there won't be! People who hate us, STILL hate us, and will continue to hate us until we no longer breath their same air... and that's just a fact we're going to have to live with, but don't bring your silly ass here telling me the world now "respects" the US, that's a total load of horse shit, and you and I both know it.

Now the republican party, scared shitless by a woman on a polar bear, are embarking on another rout to your nations defences.

You can poke fun at Sarah Palin all you like, moron... she is wildly popular, and no Republican other than the elitist Beltway crowd, is "scared" of her.

I dont know how many times the world must say this to you, but stop the in fighting. You are f****** your selves every time you point your stubbly little ink stained fingers.

First of all, YOU are NOT the fucking WORLD! You don't need to say anything to us... you should shut your pie-hole full of rotten British teeth and mind your own fucking business! We're NOT going to STOP FIGHTING.... especially not because some British Socialist whines about it! We're going to FIGHT and KEEP FIGHTING from now until November 2012, and BEYOND if needed... this is about getting our country back, and we're NOT backing down! You can WHINE and MOAN all you like, but the FIGHT is still coming, and it hasn't even started getting ugly yet.

You would rather sacrifice the livelihoods of 300 million people than ever allow Obama to prove himself.
Honestly, you really should be ashamed of yourselves.

How am I, or ANYONE on the right 'disallowing' Obama to prove himself? He is the duly-elected President! For two years, he had the entire Congress under his party's control, and could pass ANY LEGISLATION HE WANTED! HOW THE FUCK WERE WE HINDERING OBAMA? For THREE years, he has FAILED to submit a budget Congress can except! HOW did Republicans cause Obama to fail to submit a reasonable budget plan? When he finally DID submit a budget, it was so awful his own party couldn't support it, and it failed 97-0.... How did Republicans get ALL DEMOCRATS to vote against Obama's budget? Seems to me, you are upset that Republicans aren't just rolling over and letting Obama and the Dems continue to rule as a tyrant regime who has no regard for the will of the people or democracy in any way. Sorry... that just ain't gonna fucking happen here, MORON!

 

[Lowaicue]

You fucking got that right... the world no longer sees us as the invincible defenders of freedom who can kick your ass in a moment's notice, they see us as a weak pathetic remnant of the power we once were, cow-towing to the likes of France on the world stage, too afraid of 'offending' someone to be decisive and stand for what is right.



Fuck you, no we didn't! There has not been one iota of "respect" from you, or any other Eurotrash asswipe out there, and there won't be! People who hate us, STILL hate us, and will continue to hate us until we no longer breath their same air... and that's just a fact we're going to have to live with, but don't bring your silly ass here telling me the world now "respects" the US, that's a total load of horse shit, and you and I both know it.



You can poke fun at Sarah Palin all you like, moron... she is wildly popular, and no Republican other than the elitist Beltway crowd, is "scared" of her.



First of all, YOU are NOT the fucking WORLD! You don't need to say anything to us... you should shut your pie-hole full of rotten British teeth and mind your own fucking business! We're NOT going to STOP FIGHTING.... especially not because some British Socialist whines about it! We're going to FIGHT and KEEP FIGHTING from now until November 2012, and BEYOND if needed... this is about getting our country back, and we're NOT backing down! You can WHINE and MOAN all you like, but the FIGHT is still coming, and it hasn't even started getting ugly yet.



How am I, or ANYONE on the right 'disallowing' Obama to prove himself? He is the duly-elected President! For two years, he had the entire Congress under his party's control, and could pass ANY LEGISLATION HE WANTED! HOW THE FUCK WERE WE HINDERING OBAMA? For THREE years, he has FAILED to submit a budget Congress can except! HOW did Republicans cause Obama to fail to submit a reasonable budget plan? When he finally DID submit a budget, it was so awful his own party couldn't support it, and it failed 97-0.... How did Republicans get ALL DEMOCRATS to vote against Obama's budget? Seems to me, you are upset that Republicans aren't just rolling over and letting Obama and the Dems continue to rule as a tyrant regime who has no regard for the will of the people or democracy in any way. Sorry... that just ain't gonna fucking happen here, MORON!

Yep. The 'big shot' yank. Keep fighting! Keep shouting! Keep killing! Keep believing your shit doesn't stink.
Do you still think you are John Wayne?

 

[Lowaicue]

But you are a Marxist/Socialist.

There is absolutely no similarity between being a Liberal and being a 'Marxist Socialist'. I am not the latter, but I will leave it to your local schoolchildren to explain what Marxism is. Clearly you have no idea.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Yep. The 'big shot' yank. Keep fighting! Keep shouting! Keep killing! Keep believing your shit doesn't stink.
Do you still think you are John Wayne?

Goddamn Straight!

There is absolutely no similarity between being a Liberal and being a 'Marxist Socialist'. I am not the latter, but I will leave it to your local schoolchildren to explain what Marxism is. Clearly you have no idea.

Yes, a Liberal is a Progressive Liberal Socialist Marxist. Your philosophy is that of Karl Marx. Your heroes are Mao, Che, Castro and Chavez. You advocate for a Statist system, where the government controls commerce and takes care of everyone's every need, as opposed to the capitalist free market system. You favor a centrally-planned economy, contrived by political leaders to advance a political agenda, as opposed to free enterprise.

Embrace it asshole, it's what you fucking ARE! Don't try to lay off this tripe on me about not being a Marxist, I know better. If it walks, talks, and acts like a fucking Marxist... IT IS A MARXIST!

 

[Lowaicue]

Goddamn Straight!



Yes, a Liberal is a Progressive Liberal Socialist Marxist. Your philosophy is that of Karl Marx. Your heroes are Mao, Che, Castro and Chavez. You advocate for a Statist system, where the government controls commerce and takes care of everyone's every need, as opposed to the capitalist free market system. You favor a centrally-planned economy, contrived by political leaders to advance a political agenda, as opposed to free enterprise.

Embrace it asshole, it's what you fucking ARE! Don't try to lay off this tripe on me about not being a Marxist, I know better. If it walks, talks, and acts like a fucking Marxist... IT IS A MARXIST!

Bollocks. You obviously dont know which way is up.

 

[dixon76710]

That accounting gimmick is why we are rated at 58.9% GDP for our national debt. IF the SS debt were actually used instead of hidden as it is, our debt would be closer to 72% of GDP.

We are not rated at 58.9%, we are rated at 92.7%. If your savings account loans your checking account money, you havent created a debt.

 

[WinterBorn]

We are not rated at 58.9%, we are rated at 92.7%. If your savings account loans your checking account money, you havent created a debt.

And how do you propose that debt be paid when its time to start writing checks?

And just as an FYI, if you have $100 in savings and $0 in checking, and your checking borrows from savings because you wrote a $50 check, your combined accounts are worth $50. Keep doing that and there is indeed a debt.

 

[dixon76710]

And how do you propose that debt be paid when its time to start writing checks?

And just as an FYI, if you have $100 in savings and $0 in checking, and your checking borrows from savings because you wrote a $50 check, your combined accounts are worth $50. Keep doing that and there is indeed a debt.

UK or the other countries listed takes in $ 100 in government receipts, puts $100 into their checking account and pays $100 worth of ongoing expenses and creates no debt. The US takes in $100 receipts, puts $95 in our checking account and $5 in our savings account . Our savings account loans the $5 to our checking account, and then we pay $100 in ongoing expenses. We have $5 additional debt, the UK does not. Two countries are in identical financial situation but we are characterized as having $5 more debt than the UK. Not a real comparison of the two countries financial position. Both countries have the same aging population. Weve created an imaginary savings account to pretend we are preparing for future needs. UK and the other countries have not.

 

[DamnYankee]

Derivation: If one group are "teabaggers" (givers) the other are "teabaggees" (receivers). An openwider is just another term for "teabaggee"...

It's no going to catch on.

 

[DamnYankee]

No. I'm advising you not to continue this childish yobbery and cast your vote at the next election.
BTW in many respects an elected dictatorship (if there is such a thing) might be preferable to your present plutocracy.

You obviously have no clue how a republic works.

 

[WinterBorn]

UK or the other countries listed takes in $ 100 in government receipts, puts $100 into their checking account and pays $100 worth of ongoing expenses and creates no debt. The US takes in $100 receipts, puts $95 in our checking account and $5 in our savings account . Our savings account loans the $5 to our checking account, and then we pay $100 in ongoing expenses. We have $5 additional debt, the UK does not. Two countries are in identical financial situation but we are characterized as having $5 more debt than the UK. Not a real comparison of the two countries financial position. Both countries have the same aging population. Weve created an imaginary savings account to pretend we are preparing for future needs. UK and the other countries have not.

So your idea is that its not a debt because we pretend we have savings, despite that fact that the savings (for all practical purposes) is empty?

So what happens when the money going out of social security exceeds the money coming in? Do we suddenly have a debt?

 

[poet]

Bollocks. You obviously dont know which way is up.

Indeed. Better to be thought a fool, than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt. LOL.

 

[dixon76710]

So your idea is that its not a debt because we pretend we have savings, despite that fact that the savings (for all practical purposes) is empty?

So what happens when the money going out of social security exceeds the money coming in? Do we suddenly have a debt?

Same thing that happens in Britain. Your point? We have accounted for future obligations, the other countries have not. No one denies that we are approaching a point where the # of retirees becomes too large for the pool of workers to support, but its not a uniquely US problem.
ANY realistic comparison between countries would reflect those differences. The comparisons that give us a 90+% debt to GDP ratio do not.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
I'd love to see Dixie provide the link to the speech that he claims Obama made these statements...as Dixie has a penchant for out-of-context quotes and para-phrasing. Until then, I'll just let the FACTS make an ass out of Dixie.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/16/AR2010121606200.html

At the signing ceremony, Obama said passage of the law was propelled "by the fact that tax rates for every American were poised to automatically increase on January 1st." If that had happened, "the average middle-class family would have had to pay an extra $3,000 in taxes next year," he said. "That wouldn't have just been a blow to them; it would have been a blow to our economy, just as we're climbing out of a devastating recession."

Obama declared: "I refused to let that happen. And because we acted, it's not going to. In fact, not only will middle-class Americans avoid a tax increase, but tens of millions of Americans will start the new year off right by opening their first paycheck to see that it's actually larger than the one they get right now."


Thereya go, Bozo!

As I predicted, our Dixie Dunce DID NOT read carefully and comprehensively the very material he sites to back up his claims.....instead Dixie takes an excerpt out of context. Had he comprehended the ENTIRE article, Dixie would have noted that Obama cut a DEAL with the Party of No, and subsequently the Bush tax cuts were extended beyond their original "sunset" determination AS PART OF AN OVERALL PACKAGE, AS THE GOP WAS QUITE WILLING TO LET TAXES GO UP IN GENERAL IF THE BUSH TAX CUTS WERE ALLOWED TO SUNSET. As seen in these quotes:

.... He said he would not have signed the bill if it did not include "other extensions of relief that were also set to expire." Among other provisions, he cited the extensions of unemployment benefits and tuition tax credits, as well as new tax incentives for businesses.

Obama acknowledged that "there are some elements of this legislation that I don't like," and some that congressional Republicans and Democrats don't like. "That's the nature of compromise, yielding on something each of us cares about to move forward on what all of us care about," he said. "And right now, what all of us care about is growing the American economy and creating jobs for the American people."


..... But for Obama, the two-year window represents an opportunity to tackle the ambitious task of overhauling the federal tax code. By sunsetting current policies immediately after the 2012 presidential election, lawmakers in both parties said the measure sets a natural timetable for developing a tax-reform plan - an essential step toward reining in the rising national debt


... Although Democrats were unhappy with the deal, Obama negotiated with Republicans only after Democratic lawmakers refused for months to address the issue of the expiring Bush tax cuts, raising alarm at the White House. Economists said a partisan standoff could have wreaked havoc on the economy by increasing withholding in virtually every worker's paycheck, raising taxes by about $3,000 next year on a typical family, according to White House estimates.

The concern was so great that Obama ultimately decided to break his long-standing vow to eliminate the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest 2 percent of taxpayers. But with unemployment stuck near 10 percent, he was able to negotiate a big new dose of support for the economy, which Republicans had vowed to oppose.

In addition to the payroll tax holiday, Obama won a $57 billion extension of emergency unemployment benefits that will keep the program, which expired last month, alive through the end of next year. Republicans also agreed to support the largest temporary investment incentive in U.S. history, which permits businesses to deduct 100 percent of equipment purchases in the 2011 tax year.


All one has to do is read the ENTIRE article to see how wrong Dixie's conclusions/assertions are.

Laugh, my Dixie, clown, laugh.

 

[Taichiliberal]

And there you have it folks, I provide DIRECT QUOTES FROM THE S&P REPORT THAT CONTRADICTS IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS CONTRADICTS THE NEOCON MANTRAS OUR DIXIE DUNCE IS PARROTING.

You didn't provide anything that proves anything. You posted the S&P statement, and because they specifically referenced "Republicans" you interpret that to mean their downgrade was the fault of Republicans, but that is not what the statement says. If you comprehend what it says (which most pinheads apparently can't) it CLEARLY indicates Congress FAILED to address the debt and spending problems, which is precisely because DEMOCRATS refuse to cut spending... NOT REPUBLICANS!

And right here you see a classic example of neocon denial, folks. Check out the DIRECT QUOTE I site from the S&P Report:

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...alls-out-the-Republicans!&p=850787#post850787

It states IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS whom they point the finger at as the culprit that caused their down grade report. No "interpretation" is necessary....yet willfully ignorant neocon toadies like Dixie just spin out their own "version" of what is being stated, because as we can all see by their example, neocons prefer to substitute their supposition and conjecture for facts and the logic derived from those facts. Dixie's denial borders on psychosis.

Only a complete idiot would read the quote and then state what Dixie does....either that or a complete liar like Dixie is. Let's watch our Dixie dunce now build upon his BS while trying to ignore what the S&P report actually states.

Dance, my Dixie clown, dance!

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
And it's the same result no matter how you word it Damo , it's was scheduled to END at a specific time period....God damn, WTF is the matter with you neocon/conservative/teagagger/libertarian wonks? You're so pissed that your religious beliefs in reaganomics are getting punched full of holes that you've gone picayune crazy! Grow up, man.

Words mean things. It wasn't "designed" to do that, it was the only way they could pass it considering the filibuster. It's silly to say it was "designed" to do it solely because of that. When they proposed the cuts, did they plan for it to happen that way? Not really.

It's silly to keep trying to discredit the focus of my statement with a picayune attitude regarding a moot point, Damo. The bottom line was that the ruling on the Bush tax cuts were designed/agreed upon/scheduled to END at a specific time....to "sunset" as is the nomenclature. That is what I was talking about, YOU know damned well that is what I was talking about. End of story.

Does your clarification change my original point? Not really.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
I'd love to see Dixie provide the link to the speech that he claims Obama made these statements...as Dixie has a penchant for out-of-context quotes and para-phrasing. Until then, I'll just let the FACTS make an ass out of Dixie.

You failed here.

Big time.

Ahh, the Libertarian lunkhead rah-rah's our Dixie Dunce. Pity this fool didn't read my latest response. And the beat goes on.

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...alls-out-the-Republicans!&p=852714#post852714

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
And there you have it folks, I provide DIRECT QUOTES FROM THE S&P REPORT THAT CONTRADICTS IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS CONTRADICTS THE NEOCON MANTRAS OUR DIXIE DUNCE IS PARROTING.

Standard & Poor's puts the bead on the neocon/teabagger driven Republicans for causing them to down grade...it's there in plain English for all to see (in bold).

What Dixie demonstrates is either an inability to comprehend what he's reading or a deadly combination of insipid stubborness and willful ignorance that seem to be the cornerstone of the teabagger/neocon mindset regarding this matter. Whatever his problem, I'm not going to waste anymore time and space arguing with this Dixie Dunce. I leave him to his predictable lies, distortions, parroting and ranting.

You're post is demeaning towards yourself.

I could do a better job of arguing with Dixie.

You need to get past whatever axe you have to grind with me and learn to read carefully and comprehensively.....

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...alls-out-the-Republicans!&p=852714#post852714

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
...teabagger...

I haven't read your posts in months, and when I read one I see that you're still talking about some weird act of sodomy.

Once again you demonstrate your willful ignorance and inability to read carefully and comprehensively.

Months go by and you still have some axe to grind with me....which prohibits you from actually reading what I write in it's entirety and respond accordingly about the subject at hand.

Teabagger is a a phrase coined in reference to a Tea Party Member(s) who carried placcards that stated "Teabag Obama before he teabags you" at one those Dick Armey sponsored rallies a year or so ago. That's documented in photos and video. Deal with it.

Now, that being said, do you have any comment on the quotes I provided from the S&P report?

 

[Taichiliberal]

Dutiful parrot. Democrats took control of the house and senate in 2007 with about $8.5 Trillion in debt. IF obama can get by on this latest debt increase, by the end of 2012 we will have $17 trillion in debt. DOUBLED in 6 years and you want to blame a president who has been out of office for almost 3 years

Newsflash for ya, genius.....the Dems DID NOT have the bullet proof vote in the Senate even before Kennedy died. Do your homework and see how the GOP with assist from Leiberman blocked or killed anything and everything the Dems tried to put through.....or were you asleep during all those record filibusters by the Party of No (aka Republicans, aka the GOP)?

The full weight of the Bush disaster hit in 2009 (end of the fiscal year for Congressional budgets and such), so don't squawk like a neocon parrot that the Shrub's policies all magically vanished.