Jerry Brown endorses popular vote bill for California

cawacko said:
So this means if Candidate A wins California but Candidate B gets more votes overall then Candidate B gets CA's 55 electoral votes?


Gov. Jerry Brown has signed a bill that would award all of California's 55 Electoral College votes to the winner of the national popular vote in presidential elections.

The movement by a group called National Popular Vote aims to prevent a repeat of 2000, when Democrat Al Gore won the popular vote but Republican George W. Bush won the electoral vote. The proposed change would ensure the winner of the national popular vote becomes president.

With Brown's signature Monday, California became the eighth state to sign on, giving the effort 132 of the 270 electoral votes it needs to take effect.

California and most other states currently have winner-take-all systems that give all the electoral votes to the candidate who wins the most votes in that state.



http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2011/08/08/state/n131327D33.DTL
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Only if enough other states sign on that there are 270 electoral votes in total. Which would essentially make the electoral college worthless.
 
Yurt said:
do you have a link for this? i am under the impression that states can choose which way their electoral votes go.
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They can, however each state that has signed on to this have put in the law that it will not take effect until enough states sign on to give them the win...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2760757/posts

"But that change will only take place if states with a combined 270 Electoral votes sign onto the effort. California's participation brings the movement about halfway there. "
 
Damn Yankee said:
I don't think California has the power to make this change. Isn't it against the Constitutionally mandated process?
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The constitution gives states the power to divide their votes however the fuck they want it. Destroy the abomination of the electoral college once and for all! Death to conservatives!

Damn Yankee said:
In theory California could be, say, 75% for the Democrat but the rest of the county be for the Republican, so their 55 votes go to the Republican.
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The only fair result possible.
 
Damn Yankee said:
Yeah that's true. Most are all-or-nothing and some proportion them, which is retarded.
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How could all-or-nothing not be the most retarded system man has ever devised? Do the world a favor and kill yourself. It's not worth the money that it would take to train you in math to understand your idiocy anyway.
 
I think it will kill the will of people to vote. It won't matter who they vote for, the rest of the nation gets to pick.
 
Good Luck said:
It does set a bad precedent, though. The president was never intended to be popularly elected.
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Who gives a shit? Think for yourselves. If presidents were sometimes decided by the popular vote and sometimes decided by the phase of the moon, that would sometimes produce better presidents than only going by the popular vote. That in no way means that it's in any way rational. And dividing up America by arbitrary lines some idiot made up hundreds of years ago and apportioning electoral votes to that is just as equally arbitrary and idiotic and utterly unjustifiable as the phase of the moon system. There is no justification for the electoral college, and anyone who support this evil system is evil and should be shot.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
not so sure about that. The US Constitution gives the feds the power to enforce a republican form of government, which would include the election process.
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Therefore, the feds should force every state to do like this, the only fair and democratic method. All states that do anything else are violating the republican concept, and therefore the constitution. Thanks for pointing that out.
 
Skidmark said:
How can anyone possibly think this is stupid? What is wrong with you? Did your mother drop you on your head when you were a child?
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Easily. I think it is stupid. I believe that the electoral college was set up for a purpose, and it wasn't that it took forever to get results.
 
Skidmark said:
That's right. The nation gets to pick. Finally, the country gets to decide what it wants, the voters, instead of the phase of the moon.
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Each state gets a vote, whoever wins there should get the bulk of their electoral votes. I'd prefer proportional, but simply ignoring your own citizens to give a different candidate all your electoral votes is inane. Split them up proportionately between the candidates. I'd prefer that.
 
Skidmark said:
I believe the purpose the electoral college was set up for is idiotic.
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Yeah, you believe a foolish college student is better than the collective minds of the founders and that they are stupid. I get that. I just disagree.
 
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