Obama's "Plan"

Dixie said:
It's sort of like saying, the physical exertion from bailing water out of the sinking boat will exhaust us! That's how stupid you have become. We are currently spending $1.6 trillion per year, that we DON'T HAVE! What part of "DON'T HAVE" are you having difficulty with, maybe I can help? As in... the money doesn't exist, we don't have it, and there is no realistic way for us to get it. We've maxed out the credit card, and now you want to run buy a new wardrobe and some shoes, because when they close your account, you're not going to have a thing that's decent to wear. That's where you are on the "stupid scale" darling.
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"What part of "DON'T HAVE" are you having difficulty with"

The "don't have" part.

A country is made up of citizens. No citizens, no country. Poor citizens, poor country. Citizens with money, a country with money.

What part of that are you having difficulty with?
 
apple0154 said:
Balking at helping the homeless? Where did you get that idea?
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How many rooms does your home have, excluding the kitchen and bathroom(s) and do you have an attached garage?
How many people live in your house and of these what is the breakdown of male and female? Ages are unnecessary.
With this response, I will be better able to point out what you are so apperently missing.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
He's right, you're google must be broken.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/04/13/president-obama-s-framework-4-trillion-deficit-reduction

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press...work-shared-prosperity-and-shared-fiscal-resp

The Damo's got a legit point too. To paraphrase the immortal philosopher Mike Tyson "Everyone has a plan till you smack them in the face."
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I know this is 'old' since the deal is now done, but the link to supposed white house plan was from April, (so 'old' at end of July), and at that was only a framework. In actuality, that 'framework' was only a speech. Which is to remind us of the CBO manager that said, "We don't score speeches." There never was a plan, not even a framework.
 
apple0154 said:
How many times do i have to repeat the same thing, over and over? Show me ONE country where the citizens want to revert to a "pay or suffer" system. Just ONE. Show me one country where a politician is campaigning on returning to a "pay or suffer" system.
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You're going to have to repeat it from now until the day you die, fucktard... and it's still not going to resonate, because you won't give an example that is valid. I have repeatedly asked you for ONE EXAMPLE of a country the size of the US, who has a successful government-run health care system, who can rival the US in medical technology, cure rates for disease, success rates for recovery, success rates of major operations (brain and heart), vaccine development, or anything else... you can't name ONE! Meanwhile, you clamor for an example of people "reverting back" to something that no longer exists! You do this, as you point out that Canada is inundated with lawsuits trying to return portions of health care back to the private sector! It's un-fucking-believable!

Try to understand that every country has had a "pay or suffer" system. Every country started out that way and every country that changed to a government plan has kept it. Not only have they kept it but the citizens insist the country keep it.

Every country. Not ONE exception. Why can't you understand that?
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Again, for the thick-head... what about Canadians suing to re-introduce private measures? Doesn't sound like EVERYONE in Canada want to keep the government-run system, does it? I mean, why would they be suing to re-introduce capitalist private enterprise, if they were giddy about what they have? It doesn't make rational or logical sense.

Regardless of all the intentional misconceptions and outright lies the citizens in every country insist on keeping their government plan. Opponents of government medical can not point to ONE country that reverted or even one country considering reverting. The opponents have nothing to substantiate their threats and fear mongering. Nothing. All the while a study has shown 45,000 people die each year in the US due to a lack of medical care.
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Again... NO THEY DON'T INSIST ON ANY SUCH THING! THEY ARE INSISTING IN CANADA ON CHANGING THE LAWS SO THEY CAN HAVE PRIVATE ENTERPRISE INVOLVED AGAIN IN THE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT HAPPY WITH THE GOVERNMENT-RUN SYSTEM!!!!
 
Annie said:
I know this is 'old' since the deal is now done, but the link to supposed white house plan was from April, (so 'old' at end of July), and at that was only a framework. In actuality, that 'framework' was only a speech. Which is to remind us of the CBO manager that said, "We don't score speeches." There never was a plan, not even a framework.
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You are right. I addressed this many posts ago and no one has yet to counter it. Mott the Hoople did not even bother to defend his links.
 
Where's all the usual multi-posts from shit head?

Has school already started?
 
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Show me ONE country where the citizens want to revert to a "pay or suffer" system. Just ONE. Show me one country where a politician is campaigning on returning to a "pay or suffer" system.
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The United States of America, and every Republican politician running for election in 2012.
 
Rana said:
Really, goes to show you just how stupid we have become! The cuts they are proposing will tank the economy, it seems like everyone is to blame and not just Obama...
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That is quite ridiculous Rana. The 'cuts' are to the GROWTH rate in spending. Total spending will still increase. Deficit spending will continue to the tune of about $5-7 TRILLION over the next decade.

What is tanking the economy is the insane levels of spending coming out of DC that are showing NO signs of improving the economy. The economy is tanking because the idiots in DC can't keep their hands out of our pockets.
 
Superfreak said:
That is quite ridiculous Rana. The 'cuts' are to the GROWTH rate in spending. Total spending will still increase. Deficit spending will continue to the tune of about $5-7 TRILLION over the next decade.
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The cuts are cuts. On a per capita, inflation-adjusted basis, government spending is being cut. Pretending otherwise is stupid.


Superfreak said:
What is tanking the economy is the insane levels of spending coming out of DC that are showing NO signs of improving the economy. The economy is tanking because the idiots in DC can't keep their hands out of our pockets.
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Speaking of stupid, what is tanking the economy is low aggregate demand made lower by cuts in government spending and employment at the federal, state and local level. Government spending and debt may put a drag on growth in the future if changes to current policy are not implemented, but high government spending actually helps the economy right now. Hence the market analysts predicting the debt deal will be a drag on GDP growth in the near term.
 
David St. Hubbins said:
The cuts are cuts. On a per capita, inflation-adjusted basis, government spending is being cut. Pretending otherwise is stupid.
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Show me your data that proves the per capita, inflation adjusted spending is being cut. Then we can talk....

Speaking of stupid, what is tanking the economy is low aggregate demand made lower by cuts in government spending and employment at the federal, state and local level. Government spending and debt may put a drag on growth in the future if changes to current policy are not implemented, but high government spending actually helps the economy right now. Hence the market analysts predicting the debt deal will be a drag on GDP growth in the near term.
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ROFLMAO.... the above is quite stupid indeed. It is the out of control spending that is keeping the corporations from spending right now. Earnings numbers are good on average, cash on balance is high... but the fear of ever increasing taxes due to insane levels of wasteful spending is KILLING this economy. Period.
 
Superfreak said:
Show me your data that proves the per capita, inflation adjusted spending is being cut. Then we can talk....
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Just do the arithmetic. The spending increases under the plan are about 1.9% per year. That's certainly lower than inflation + population growth.


Superfreak said:
ROFLMAO.... the above is quite stupid indeed. It is the out of control spending that is keeping the corporations from spending right now. Earnings numbers are good on average, cash on balance is high... but the fear of ever increasing taxes due to insane levels of wasteful spending is KILLING this economy. Period.
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Hilarious:

It's getting to the point where traders can almost get the whiff of a double-dip recession.

Underscoring Wall Street's dour sentiments, Michael Feroli of JPMorgan Chase slashed his estimates for the country's growth rate in the third quarter to 2 percent from 2.5 percent.

The bank's chief US economic analyst also lowered his forecast for the fourth quarter and for 2012. Other economic experts aren't painting much rosier pictures. More worrisome, former Treasury Secretary Larry Summers forecasts a 1 in 3 chance the US will suffer an economic slowdown or double-dip recession.

Feroli cites the debt-ceiling agreement and plans to cut some $2.4 trillion in expenses over the next 10 years as reasons for the gloomier outlook. Such measures will frustrate the nation's ability to grow itself back to normalcy, he said.

What's more, most observers don't expect Federal Reserve chief Ben Bernanke will set an additional round of economic-juicing quantitative easing. Despite the odds against such a move, traders on Wall Street were hoping for the best yesterday

The deficit-reduction deal is forecast to drain a total of 1.75 percentage points of growth in 2012, according to Feroli's report, with fourth-quarter gross domestic product slipping to 2.5 percent from 3 percent. His estimate for 2012 GDP is a measly 1 percent.
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Of course, it may be that me and JPMorgan Chase's chief US economist (and investors generally) are wrong and you are right, but I doubt it.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/busine..._drainer_5JBLtRtGBkRkbqoyPljZ6I#ixzz1U4XvrLZi
 
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