$2.4 Trillion Would Be Largest Debt-Limit Increase in U.S. History

I don't think the assumption is that the deficit is going to stay at 1 trillion a year for the decade. The recovery will help a lot, when it comes...

I was trying to use simple numbers so that the moron could follow.

The CBO projects that if nothing changes we would add an additional $7 Trillion to the debt in the next ten years. Which means if nothing changes, then according to the Obama 'plan' it would add $5.9 Trillion to the debt. An average of $590B per year for the next decade. That is approximately $120B over the 'atrocious/disastrous/insert Dem horrific adjective here' that Bush put up in 2008 (though the Dems are quick to forget who ran Congress during that time)
 
I was trying to use simple numbers so that the moron could follow.

The CBO projects that if nothing changes we would add an additional $7 Trillion to the debt in the next ten years. Which means if nothing changes, then according to the Obama 'plan' it would add $5.9 Trillion to the debt. An average of $590B per year for the next decade. That is approximately $120B over the 'atrocious/disastrous/insert Dem horrific adjective here' that Bush put up in 2008 (though the Dems are quick to forget who ran Congress during that time)

Have you ever noticed, when pinheads are referencing the CBO to bolster one of their idiotic arguments, it's always referred to as "the non-partisan" CBO? As if to say, these numbers are all valid and legitimate, because the source is not biased. As if this must be the truth and factual, because it's non-partisan. They seem to miss the fact that, while the CBO is indeed non-partisan, it is also non-objective and non-withstanding. The CBO makes static calculations based on the current trend, and assuming the current trend will continue over the next 10 years. This method almost never produces an accurate result, because too many of the factors involved, are out of the purview of the CBO to consider, they are non-partisan, non-objective, and non-withstanding.

This is where we get the infamous "Clinton Surplus" we hear so much about. It wasn't a surplus that ever existed in reality, it was from a calculated projection by the CBO, based on trends and static rate of increase in the dotcoms over the next 10 years, which never panned out. Instead of following the trend projected (and considered by the CBO) the dotcoms went belly-up, and there was a 'bursting of the bubble'. The projected revenues conceived by the static calculations of the CBO, never materialized, and were never realized, therefore, there was never a surplus generated.... there might have been, if the CBO had been accurate, but the CBO is not there to be an accurate prognosticator of the future.

Here's another neat little thing about the non-partisan CBO... They are bound by law to examine legislation in terms of raw statistics and trends, without any consideration for ramifications of the legislation itself, they simply can't judge or determine anything based on what they think might happen as a result of passage. Here's an example: Let's say Congress passes a law to tax everyone at 100%... we already know (see Laffer Curve) that a 100% tax rate would produce $0 revenue, because there is 0 incentive to produce income. The CBO would look at the statistics over the past 10 years, the average amount of income earned per individual, the amount of tax the average person paid... the average amount of income earned... and they would calculate 100% tax on that amount and extend those calculations out for 10 years, based on rates of growth in income for the past 10 years... The non-partisan, non-objective, non-withstanding CBO would report that this legislation generates $30 trillion over the next 10 years! W000t!! We can pay off the debt!! NOT!
 
Have you ever noticed, when pinheads are referencing the CBO to bolster one of their idiotic arguments, it's always referred to as "the non-partisan" CBO? As if to say, these numbers are all valid and legitimate, because the source is not biased. As if this must be the truth and factual, because it's non-partisan. They seem to miss the fact that, while the CBO is indeed non-partisan, it is also non-objective and non-withstanding. The CBO makes static calculations based on the current trend, and assuming the current trend will continue over the next 10 years. This method almost never produces an accurate result, because too many of the factors involved, are out of the purview of the CBO to consider, they are non-partisan, non-objective, and non-withstanding.

That's not close to accurate.

This is where we get the infamous "Clinton Surplus" we hear so much about. It wasn't a surplus that ever existed in reality, it was from a calculated projection by the CBO, based on trends and static rate of increase in the dotcoms over the next 10 years, which never panned out. Instead of following the trend projected (and considered by the CBO) the dotcoms went belly-up, and there was a 'bursting of the bubble'. The projected revenues conceived by the static calculations of the CBO, never materialized, and were never realized, therefore, there was never a surplus generated.... there might have been, if the CBO had been accurate, but the CBO is not there to be an accurate prognosticator of the future.

I've been over this before with SF. In January 2000 the CBO's projected surpluses were based on GDP growth projections that were below the annual average for the period 1970-2000 period, not the growth rate from 1997-1999. The surpluses disappeared with the recession in 2000, the downturn after 9/11, the Bush tax cuts, DoD spending, including the wars,the prescription drug bill and the like.

Here's another neat little thing about the non-partisan CBO... They are bound by law to examine legislation in terms of raw statistics and trends, without any consideration for ramifications of the legislation itself, they simply can't judge or determine anything based on what they think might happen as a result of passage. Here's an example: Let's say Congress passes a law to tax everyone at 100%... we already know (see Laffer Curve) that a 100% tax rate would produce $0 revenue, because there is 0 incentive to produce income. The CBO would look at the statistics over the past 10 years, the average amount of income earned per individual, the amount of tax the average person paid... the average amount of income earned... and they would calculate 100% tax on that amount and extend those calculations out for 10 years, based on rates of growth in income for the past 10 years... The non-partisan, non-objective, non-withstanding CBO would report that this legislation generates $30 trillion over the next 10 years! W000t!! We can pay off the debt!! NOT!

That's not at all accurate either.
 
Congratulations moron, you have cut and paste something which you clearly don't understand a thing about. The above is a chart of BUDGETS. BUDGETS are not ACTUAL results.

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt.htm

The above link will help you educate yourself. Go to that and show us which fiscal year our national debt DECREASED from the prior year. Go ahead... we will wait....

If Clinton paid down the debt... it would actually GO DOWN.



ROFLMAO.... seriously?

Well genius... if you are outspending revenue by over $1 Trillion per year and you 'slash the deficit' by $1.1 Trillion over 10 years, that means you are STILL outspending revenue by over $890B per year. Math is not really your strong suit is it?

No, TURD brain, the chart DOES show results of deficits DURING Clinton BUDGET YEARS. I completely understand budgets, deficits and debt. Clearly you don't understand budgets, deficits, debt or context. The article adds the context: 'Keep in mind that fiscal years begin Oct. 1, so the first year that can be counted as a Clinton year is fiscal 1994. The appropriations bills for fiscal years 1990 through 1993 were signed by Bill Clinton’s predecessor, George H.W. Bush. Fiscal 2002 is the first for which President George W. Bush signed the appropriations bills, and the first to show the effect of his tax cuts.'

Your link shows gross debt, not public debt. Clinton paid down the public debt the last 4 years of his administration.

vyCbf.jpg


Historical Tables

Table 7.1—Federal Debt at the End of Year: 1940–2016

Equals: Held by the Public
Total

William Clinton - George W. Bush

1994 3,433,065
1995 3,604,378
1996 3,734,073
1997 3,772,344
1998 3,721,099
1999 3,632,363
2000 3,409,804
2001 3,319,615

2002 3,540,427
2003 3,913,443
2004 4,295,544
2005 4,592,212
2006 4,828,972
2007 5,035,129
2008 5,803,050
2009 7,544,707


Office of Budget and Management
 
No, TURD brain, the chart DOES show results of deficits DURING Clinton BUDGET YEARS. I completely understand budgets, deficits and debt. Clearly you don't understand budgets, deficits, debt or context. The article adds the context: 'Keep in mind that fiscal years begin Oct. 1, so the first year that can be counted as a Clinton year is fiscal 1994. The appropriations bills for fiscal years 1990 through 1993 were signed by Bill Clinton’s predecessor, George H.W. Bush. Fiscal 2002 is the first for which President George W. Bush signed the appropriations bills, and the first to show the effect of his tax cuts.'

Your link shows gross debt, not public debt. Clinton paid down the public debt the last 4 years of his administration.

vyCbf.jpg


Historical Tables

Table 7.1—Federal Debt at the End of Year: 1940–2016

Equals: Held by the Public
Total

William Clinton - George W. Bush

1994 3,433,065
1995 3,604,378
1996 3,734,073
1997 3,772,344
1998 3,721,099
1999 3,632,363
2000 3,409,804
2001 3,319,615

2002 3,540,427
2003 3,913,443
2004 4,295,544
2005 4,592,212
2006 4,828,972
2007 5,035,129
2008 5,803,050
2009 7,544,707


Office of Budget and Management

There must be some mistake... this chart shows our national debt at $7.5 trillion when Bush left office, and it's nearly $15 trillion now... It's not possible that Obama has doubled our national debt, is it?
 
No, TURD brain, the chart DOES show results of deficits DURING Clinton BUDGET YEARS. I completely understand budgets, deficits and debt. Clearly you don't understand budgets, deficits, debt or context. The article adds the context: 'Keep in mind that fiscal years begin Oct. 1, so the first year that can be counted as a Clinton year is fiscal 1994. The appropriations bills for fiscal years 1990 through 1993 were signed by Bill Clinton’s predecessor, George H.W. Bush. Fiscal 2002 is the first for which President George W. Bush signed the appropriations bills, and the first to show the effect of his tax cuts.'

Your link shows gross debt, not public debt. Clinton paid down the public debt the last 4 years of his administration.

vyCbf.jpg


Historical Tables

Table 7.1—Federal Debt at the End of Year: 1940–2016

Equals: Held by the Public
Total

William Clinton - George W. Bush

1994 3,433,065
1995 3,604,378
1996 3,734,073
1997 3,772,344
1998 3,721,099
1999 3,632,363
2000 3,409,804
2001 3,319,615

2002 3,540,427
2003 3,913,443
2004 4,295,544
2005 4,592,212
2006 4,828,972
2007 5,035,129
2008 5,803,050
2009 7,544,707


Office of Budget and Management

you realize of course that the debt owed to US government agencies is not "public debt" and that it is, in fact, still debt?.....
 
you realize of course that the debt owed to US government agencies is not "public debt" and that it is, in fact, still debt?.....
The Clintonistas will always gloss over the fact that they pulled bookkeeping sleight of hand to balance the books. The SS Trust Fund was put in the general fund via sale of US T-bills and used to "balance" the budget. That was why Gore ran on the "Lockbox" ideal for the SS trust fund because he believed (correctly) that putting SS trust fund dollars into the general fund was only asking for trouble.

They stole the People's retirement to pull out fancy figures for everyone to ooooh and ahhhh over.

That said, the Clinton administration along with congress under Newt DID reduce deficit spending significantly. Something that cannot be said for anyone else the last 60 years.
 
Could have gone in reverse, or just sat there.

He probably should have thought about it before he used the car analogy to begin with. If you are going to make the argument the last guy 'drove the car in the ditch', you better damn well have a plan that clearly gets the car out of the ditch, and apparently, Obama didn't have such a plan... now Democrats want to say...but...but...the car was broken!! wahhh!
 
There must be some mistake... this chart shows our national debt at $7.5 trillion when Bush left office, and it's nearly $15 trillion now... It's not possible that Obama has doubled our national debt, is it?

No Dixie, the chart shows the PUBLIC debt. The 2010 amount (Obama's first budget year) is 9,018,941
 
No, TURD brain, the chart DOES show results of deficits DURING Clinton BUDGET YEARS. I completely understand budgets, deficits and debt. Clearly you don't understand budgets, deficits, debt or context. The article adds the context: 'Keep in mind that fiscal years begin Oct. 1, so the first year that can be counted as a Clinton year is fiscal 1994. The appropriations bills for fiscal years 1990 through 1993 were signed by Bill Clinton’s predecessor, George H.W. Bush. Fiscal 2002 is the first for which President George W. Bush signed the appropriations bills, and the first to show the effect of his tax cuts.'

Your link shows gross debt, not public debt. Clinton paid down the public debt the last 4 years of his administration.

vyCbf.jpg


Historical Tables

Table 7.1—Federal Debt at the End of Year: 1940–2016

Equals: Held by the Public
Total

William Clinton - George W. Bush

1994 3,433,065
1995 3,604,378
1996 3,734,073
1997 3,772,344
1998 3,721,099
1999 3,632,363
2000 3,409,804
2001 3,319,615

2002 3,540,427
2003 3,913,443
2004 4,295,544
2005 4,592,212
2006 4,828,972
2007 5,035,129
2008 5,803,050
2009 7,544,707


Office of Budget and Management

Again you fucking moron.... TOTAL debt is the.... wait for it.... TOTAL debt the US government owes.

OR ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT WE DON'T NEED TO PAY FOR SOCIAL SECURITY, MEDICARE, MEDICAID?

WHY IS IT YOU CONTINUE TO COWER AWAY FROM ANSWERING THAT QUESTION MORON?
 
Obama had a plan, it failed big time.
Obama hated spending till it became his spending.

It's still far away, but he has to be fearing the "are you better off than 4 yrs ago"

No president has been elected with over 8% unemployment in our lifetimes
 
Obama had a plan, it failed big time.
Obama hated spending till it became his spending.

It's still far away, but he has to be fearing the "are you better off than 4 yrs ago"

No president has been elected with over 8% unemployment in our lifetimes

I have a weird hunch that Obama might feel more relief than disappointment if he doesn't win next year.

DC is as dysfunctional as it has ever been right now.
 
Again you fucking moron.... TOTAL debt is the.... wait for it.... TOTAL debt the US government owes.

OR ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT WE DON'T NEED TO PAY FOR SOCIAL SECURITY, MEDICARE, MEDICAID?

WHY IS IT YOU CONTINUE TO COWER AWAY FROM ANSWERING THAT QUESTION MORON?

THAT is not what we are discussing turd brain. YOU SAID: "you have cut and paste something which you clearly don't understand a thing about. The above is a chart of BUDGETS. BUDGETS are not ACTUAL results."

YOU were wrong. The chart DOES show results, not budget 'projections'




YOU said: "If Clinton paid down the debt... it would actually GO DOWN."

The public debt DID GO DOWN Clinton's last 4 years. AGAIN, YOU were wrong.

Here is a hint. When the numbers go DOWN, or DEcrease, it means debt has been paid DOWN.

Maybe there is a college course you can take for tough equations like 2+2+=

BTW, I am not going to give you the answer...LOL (use your fingers)
 
BF who gave you the shovel to dig your ged ignorance even deeper.
your too dumb to understand what SF laid out for you.
 
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