For those obsessed by Reagan,..we bring you....

Yurt said:
wait...huge debt is bad? why haven't i seen a single post from you criticizing obama's huge debt....
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A huge debt needs to be addressed in a way that doesn't cause death and destruction. It took us 30 + years to accumulate it and it will take equally as long to eliminate it. Sudden and drastic is called TERRORISM, not fiscal conservatism.

It is NOT the most important issue facing Obama and Congress, but the Republicans who gave us most of our debt have now MADE it THE issue, and Democrats are too spineless to call them out.

The White House - 2002

Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill

The president had promised to cut taxes, and he did. Within six months of taking office, he pushed a trillion dollars worth of tax cuts through Congress.

But O'Neill thought it should have been the end. After 9/11 and the war in Afghanistan, the budget deficit was growing. So at a meeting with the vice president after the mid-term elections in 2002, Suskind writes that O'Neill argued against a second round of tax cuts.

"Cheney, at this moment, shows his hand," says Suskind. "He says, 'You know, Paul, Reagan proved that deficits don't matter. We won the mid-term elections, this is our due.' … O'Neill is speechless."

"It was not just about not wanting the tax cut. It was about how to use the nation's resources to improve the condition of our society," says O'Neill. "And I thought the weight of working on Social Security and fundamental tax reform was a lot more important than a tax reduction."
 
bravo said:
Oh, but I am....Toms post about the CIA and Contras was interesting to say the least....though it all has next to nothing to do with Reagan or republicans in general....the CIA acting without Congressional pr Presidential authority isn't unheard of.....
Certainly, Contra operatons were not ever directed by the Reagan Administration......
North defied Reagan's Boland Amendment .....
anyway, all very interesting an all very irrelevant to the Reagan Presidency except that it took place while he was in office.

To make more out this is like peddling nonsense like the Mysterious Deaths surrounding Clinton.....or claiming Bush ordered the abuse at Abu Ghraib .

No one ever claimed Reagans 8 years was without some controversy and mishaps and yes....even scandal.....no President's term is.....

but the facts about Reagan and Bush remain......

Reagan's policies are widely recognized as bringing about the second longest peacetime economic expansion in U.S. history, surpassed in duration only by the 1990s expansion that began under George H. W. Bush in 1991.
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Total fail Bravo. Were you in a coma from 1980- 1988 or are you really as retarded as it seems?
 
tom prendergast said:
It's fascinating that the ACLU, which many on the right consider to be a left wing organisation, managed to get Ollie North off the hook.

Q: Isn't the ACLU a left-wing organization? A: No! In fact, the ACLU is in many ways our nation's most conservative organization. Because our job is to conserve America's original civic values - the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Historically, we have agreed with conservatives on some issues and with liberals on others. For example, we worked with the National Rifle Association to defeat a proposal by the Federal Bureau of Investigation that would expand wiretapping authority. In Utah, the ACLU teamed with Phyllis Schafly to defeat a proposal for a "smart card" that would have carried information on everything from a person's shoe size to their medical history. The ACLU also filed a brief on the right of Oliver North not to incriminate himself when he testified before a congressional committee.

http://www.aclukswmo.org/?page=Learn
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The perception of the ACLU being liberal comes from the majority...understand the word majority, of cases they take on. That a case like North's was undertaken usually translates itself into more liberal politics that they back~ Perception is reality as it did not become perception in a vacuum.
 
Bfgrn said:
A huge debt needs to be addressed in a way that doesn't cause death and destruction. It took us 30 + years to accumulate it and it will take equally as long to eliminate it. Sudden and drastic is called TERRORISM, not fiscal conservatism.

It is NOT the most important issue facing Obama and Congress, but the Republicans who gave us most of our debt have now MADE it THE issue, and Democrats are too spineless to call them out.

The White House - 2002

Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill

The president had promised to cut taxes, and he did. Within six months of taking office, he pushed a trillion dollars worth of tax cuts through Congress.

But O'Neill thought it should have been the end. After 9/11 and the war in Afghanistan, the budget deficit was growing. So at a meeting with the vice president after the mid-term elections in 2002, Suskind writes that O'Neill argued against a second round of tax cuts.

"Cheney, at this moment, shows his hand," says Suskind. "He says, 'You know, Paul, Reagan proved that deficits don't matter. We won the mid-term elections, this is our due.' … O'Neill is speechless."

"It was not just about not wanting the tax cut. It was about how to use the nation's resources to improve the condition of our society," says O'Neill. "And I thought the weight of working on Social Security and fundamental tax reform was a lot more important than a tax reduction."
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lmao....so reagan debt = bad....obama debt = good

could you be any more of a hack?
 
bravo said:
Oh, but I am....Toms post about the CIA and Contras was interesting to say the least....though it all has next to nothing to do with Reagan or republicans in general....the CIA acting without Congressional pr Presidential authority isn't unheard of.....
Certainly, Contra operatons were not ever directed by the Reagan Administration......
North defied Reagan's Boland Amendment .....
anyway, all very interesting an all very irrelevant to the Reagan Presidency except that it took place while he was in office.

To make more out this is like peddling nonsense like the Mysterious Deaths surrounding Clinton.....or claiming Bush ordered the abuse at Abu Ghraib .

No one ever claimed Reagans 8 years was without some controversy and mishaps and yes....even scandal.....no President's term is.....

but the facts about Reagan and Bush remain......

Reagan's policies are widely recognized as bringing about the second longest peacetime economic expansion in U.S. history, surpassed in duration only by the 1990s expansion that began under George H. W. Bush in 1991.
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why the fuck to you constantly reply to the troll while constantly telling people NOT TO FEED the troll?
 
Yurt said:
lmao....so reagan debt = bad....obama debt = good

could you be any more of a hack?
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Are you really operating on that low a level of intelligence and comprehension Yurt? Did you READ what I posted? Do you understand what I said Yurt?

Bfgrn said: "It (debt) is NOT the most important issue facing Obama and Congress, but the Republicans who gave us most of our debt have now MADE it THE issue, and Democrats are too spineless to call them out".

Republicans like Dick Cheney who said: 'You know, Paul, Reagan proved that deficits don't matter' Republicans who spent like drunken sailors on a weekend furlough and raised the debt ceiling 9 TIMES in Bush's 8 years are now saying we face a debt apocalypse. We DON'T.

Our national debt is not actually high. In relation to GDP, it is only a bit over half of what it was in 1946. 63 percent, refers to debt held by the public, which is the correct construct -- not the 90+ percent figure for gross debt, commonly seen in press reports and in comparisons with other countries. The relevant number is today below where it was in the mid-1950s, and comparable to the early 1990s.
 
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