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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reaganomics

Reagan's policies are widely recognized as bringing about the second longest peacetime economic expansion in U.S. history, surpassed in duration only by the 1990s expansion that began under George H. W. Bush in 1991.

The federal deficit fell from 6% of GDP in 1983 to 3.2% of GDP in 1987.

The federal deficit in Reagan's final budget fell to 2.9% of GDP.

The rate of growth in federal spending fell from 4% under Jimmy Carter to 2.5% under Ronald Reagan.

The top marginal individual income tax rate fell from 70% to 28%

Tax cuts had a comparatively small effect on overall tax revenue: the changes "reduced the federal revenue share of GDP from 20.2 percent in fiscal 1981 to 19.2 percent in fiscal 1989," a 1% reduction.

During the Reagan administration, the American economy went from a GDP growth of -0.3% in 1980 to 4.1% in 1988

The inflation rate, 13.5% in 1980, fell to 4.1% in 1988

The number of Americans below the poverty level increased , as a percentage of the total population, from 12.95% in 1980 to 13% in 1988. (+0.05%)

According to a 1996 study:

* On 8 of the 10 key economic variables examined, the American economy performed better during the Reagan years than during the pre- and post-Reagan years.

* Real median family income grew by $4,000 during the Reagan period after experiencing no growth in the pre-Reagan years; it experienced a loss of almost $1,500 in the post-Reagan years.

* Interest rates, inflation, and unemployment fell faster under Reagan than they did immediately before or after his presidency.

* The only economic variable that was worse in the Reagan period than in both the pre- and post-Reagan years was the savings rate, which fell rapidly in the 1980s.

* The productivity rate was higher in the pre-Reagan years but much lower in the post-Reagan years.
 
Poor Blabo.


He left a few things out.


For instance, some of his glowing stats were from the Cato Institute.


For the debt and spending-obsessed Teabaggers:


Reagan significantly increased public expenditure, primarily the Department of Defense, which rose (in constant 2000 dollars) from $267.1 billion in 1980 (4.9% of GDP and 22.7% of public expenditure) to $393.1 billion in 1988 (5.8% of GDP and 27.3% of public expenditure); most of those years military spending was about 6% of GDP, exceeding this number in 4 different years...




...the U.S. borrowed both domestically and abroad to cover the Federal budget deficits, raising the national debt from $997 billion to $2.85 trillion.This led to the U.S. moving from the world's largest international creditor to the world's largest debtor nation...





And just so rational people can also laugh at Blabo's cherry-picked paean of praise to Saint Alzheimer...


The share of total income going to the 5% highest-income households grew from 16.5% in 1980 to 18.3% in 1988 and the share of the highest fifth increased from 44.1% to 46.3% in same years. In contrast, the share of total income of the lowest fifth fell from 4.2% in 1980 to 3.8% in 1988 and the second poorest fifth from 10.2% to 9.6%...



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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reaganomics
 
Myths of the Free Market

BLIND FAITH
The gap between rich and poor is now the widest in US history. This is
disturbing, for if history is any guide we have unwittingly placed ourselves in
grave danger.

Over the last millennium Europe has witnessed long cycles of widening and
narrowing economic disparity. In each cycle, once the gap between the rich and
the rest widened beyond a certain point, it presaged decline and disaster for all
of society, the rich as well as the poor. Could we be seeing the first tremors of a
new cycle, the outliers of the next menacing storm? In recent decades, many US
citizens have come under increasing financial pressure. Since the 1970s, our
number of working poor has increased sharply. Nearly all of our much-vaunted
newly-created wealth has gone to the richest.

Law enforcement has been unable to cope with burgeoning drug use at all
levels of society. Television and radio casually air sexually explicit programs that
would have been rejected in disgust by previous generations. Sexually
transmitted diseases have become pandemic. (The number of people in the U.S.
infected with genital herpes now stands at 45 million and is increasing at the
rate of 1 million per year.) These developments have fed a widespread perception
of irresponsibility and increasing licentiousness.

Children today spend more time than ever in front of television sets or
video games. They spend less with books, peers or parents. Where are they
learning their values? What are the values they are learning?

The alienation of large groups of people has led to private militias and to an
increase in violence that has become pervasive. With 60,000 incidents of
workplace violence per year, “going postal” is part of our vocabulary. “Road rage”
is another new expression and a measure of increasing violence by “normal”
people. Since 1980 our prison population has increased five-fold.
These developments have exacerbated a polarization between a new
evangelical Christian revival and those who are distrustful of religious
dogmatism but have no solutions to the very real problems the evangelicals are
addressing. Could these trends be harbingers of something more ominous, a
more violent fracturing of society?

For a country that has prided itself on its resourcefulness, the inability to
address such problems suggests something deeper at work. There is something,
powerful but insidious, that blinds us to the causes of these problems and
undermines our ability to respond. That something is a set of beliefs, comparable
to religious beliefs in earlier ages, about the nature of economies and societies.
These beliefs imply the impropriety of government intervention either in social
contexts (libertarianism) or in economic affairs (laissez faire).

The faithful unquestioningly embrace the credo that the doctrine of nonintervention
has generated our most venerated institutions: our democracy, the
best possible political system; and our free market economy, the best possible
economic system. But despite our devotion to the dogmas that libertarianism
and free market economics are the foundation of all that we cherish most deeply,
they have failed us and are responsible for our present malaise.

The pieties of libertarianism and free markets sound pretty, but they
cannot withstand even a cursory inspection. Libertarianism does not support
democracy; taken to an extreme, it entails the law of the jungle. If government
never interferes, we could all get away with murder. Alternatively, if the
libertarian position is not to be taken to an extreme, where should it stop? What
is the difference between no government and minimal government? Attempts to
justify libertarianism, even a less than extreme position, have failed.
Laissez faire, or free market economics, characterized by minimal or no
government intervention, has a history that is long but undistinguished. Just as
the negative effects of a high fever do not certify the health benefits of the
opposite extreme, hypothermia, the dismal failure of communism, seeking
complete government control of the economy, does not certify the economic
benefits of the opposite extreme, total economic non-intervention.

It may seem odd, given the parabolic arc of our financial markets and the
swelling chorus of paeans to free market economics, but despite the important
role of the market, purer free market economies have consistently
underperformed well-focused mixed economies. In the latter part of the
nineteenth century the mixed economies of Meiji Japan and Bismarck’s Germany
clearly outperformed the free market economies of Britain and France. Our own
economy grew faster when we abandoned the laissez faire of the 1920s and early
1930s for the proto-socialist policies of Franklin D. Roosevelt. It has become
increasingly sluggish as we have moved back to a purer free market. Data of the
past few decades show that our GNP and productivity growth have lagged those
of our trading partners, who have mixed economies characterized by moderate
government intervention.

The persistently mediocre track record of laissez faire casts doubt on the
claim that an economy free from government interference invariably maximizes
the wealth of society. In fact, there are sound reasons the pure free market must
underperform well-focused mixed economies.

But despite laissez faire’s mediocre track record and despite powerful
arguments that it cannot possibly provide what it promises, the notion of the
unqualified benefit of the free market has become deeply embedded in our
mythology. Apologists have exulted in claims that glorify free market mythology
at the expense of reality, and also at the expense of society. Free market
principles, even though they have failed in economics, have been eagerly applied
to sectors ranging from politics to education, where they have contributed to
societal dysfunction.

One politically popular myth, that free market economics and government
non-intervention provide the basis for true democracy, flies in the face of history.
The first democrats, the classical Athenians, had a word for the ideal free
marketer, the homo economicus, working for his own economic gain but
unconcerned with the community. It was not particularly complimentary, the
ancestor of our word “idiot.” Pericles expressed the sentiment underlying this:
“We regard the citizen who takes no part in these [public] duties not as
unambitious but as useless…”
 
It never ceases to amuse me, the total raging hard on to worship Reagan even after 20+ years.

Especially after he negotiated with Iranians to hold the hostages until after the election.

In Central America, Reagan-Bush ran a massive criminal operation that imported hundreds of tons of cocaine into the US and shipped arms illegally to the terrorist Contras that Reagan affectionately called "Freedom Fighters".

http://www.highstrangeness.tv/articles/reagan.php

Not to mention the supply side debt he created, which was the beginning of the end for the American Dream.

Funny how the radical right will believe myths.
 
Poor Blabo.


Here's a fact that seems to have eluded him.


The presidency of Ronald Reagan in the United States was marked by multiple scandals, resulting in the investigation, indictment, or conviction of over 138 administration officials, the largest number for any US president at the time.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reagan_administration_scandals
 
it never ceases to amaze me, the total raging hard on to attempt to discredit reagan even after 20+ years

they are just embarrassed by the current president...so they have to deflect about reagan

the far left wackos will never be happy unless the president is a communist or socialist
 
they are just embarrassed by the current president...so they have to deflect about reagan

the far left wackos will never be happy unless the president is a communist or socialist

The FDN’s (Fuerza Democrática Nicaragüense, the main opposition group of those armed organizations referred to as 'Contras') chief of intelligence, Ricardo Lau, had, according to the former Salvadoran intelligence chief Col. Roberto Santivanez, ‘received payment of $120,000’ for organizing the murder of Archbishop Romero of El Salvador in 1980. The fact that a high contra official had executed the archbishop of El Salvador did not diminish the White House’s zeal for its fledgling ‘democratic resistance’.”[46]
Like Gilbert, Cockburn writes about the infamous manual issued to the contras by the CIA. She writes that the CIA was encouraging Contra terror and then indirectly by the U.S. government and President Reagan, violating Reagan’s own Presidential Directive.
“The manual, Psychological Operations in Guerrilla Warfare, clearly advocated a strategy of terror as the means to victory over the hearts and minds of Nicaraguans. Chapter headings such as ‘Selective Use of Violence for propagandistic Effects’ and ‘Implicit and Explicit Terror’ made that fact clear enough...The little booklet thus violated President Reagan’s own Presidential Directive 12333, signed in December 1981, which prohibited any U.S. government employee-including the CIA-from having anything to do with assassinations.”[47]
The manual was, according to Dennis Gilbert “apparently part of an effort [by the C.I.A.] to persuade the contras to use terror in a less random, more calculated fashion.” Whether they became more calculated regarding their deeds of terror is unclear, but they remained horrific: “[Benjamin] Linder was out with his crew, knee deep in a stream, measuring the water flow to see whether it was suitable to power a plant for San José de Bocay. Five grenades suddenly exploded around him and his helpers, followed by gunfire. One of the grenades wounded Linder, and as he lay there a contra came up and blew his brains out...’[my son Ben was killed] by somebody paid by somebody paid by somebody paid by President Reagan.’”[48] Linder’s father has a valid point since Reagan himself had stated “I’m a contra too”,[48] compared the contras with the founding fathers and the people in the French resistance, and then spent the money, $100 million in military aid[49] issued just in 1986 to the contras. There is more: “It was December 24, 1984. My son and his girlfriend had celebrated their wedding at 6 p.m...They took seven bodies out of the truck...three were children-Yolanda’s daughters, twelve, thirteen and fourteen years old.”[50]
With this in mind, Cockburn’s claim seems valid: “The U.S. problem with the contras was that they were by and large the very same group who had been trained by the United States to protect the interests of the Somozas. Methods and techniques developed for a ruthless dictatorship already in power are not necessarily the best way to create a popular insurgency.”[51]
The strong ties to Somoza decreased the potential to gain domestic support for the FDN, and prevented the U.S. guided unification operation, UNO: “The contra war had to be sold to Congress and the public as the struggle of an opposition united against the regime in Managua.”[52] The revolutionary hero and commander of the contra force of southern Nicaragua ARDE (Nicaraguan Democratic Revolutionary Alliance), Eden Pastora, refused to cooperate with the FDN. When it comes to Pastora, we can see two contrasting images. Pardo-Maurer writes about a problem, a loose gun out of control, someone that has made himself a lot of enemies.
“Pastora, who cherished his independence, was perceived as the biggest obstacle to this plan [the unification under UNO]. His maverick vision made all his alliances unstable, ultimately costing him the support of his commanders... Everybody had an interest in getting rid of Pastora: his commanders, the Americans, the Sandinistas, the other contras.”[53]
In contrast, Cockburn is writing about a very likable man, independent and true to his ideals.
“He [Pastora] was a larger-than-life figure, handsome, provocative, and difficult to pin down. However, while adamantine in his opposition to the Sandinistas, he absolutely refused to have anything to do with the much larger contra group in Honduras, the FDN. The FDN was controlled by former ‘Somocista’ (as Pastora called them) officers and men of the infamous National Guard. Pastora had fought for years [even since the 60’s] against the Guardia, who were now enjoying the lavish support of the CIA.”[52]
Pastora’s stubbornness/determination ultimately led to his officers being bribed to leave him, loss of his CIA support and an assassination attempt at his own press conference at La Penca in 1984.[52] According to Pastora, this happened because “we didn’t want to be CIA soldiers.”[54] The witness of Jack Terrell, a disillusioned American contra official corroborates this:
“You’ve got the hierarchy of the FDN sitting there; you’ve got a representative, this guy Owen, from the NSC, CIA. So, you ask me if the U.S. government knew what was going on? They had to know from that meeting.”[55]
Yet, U.S. interventionism reached further than favoring some contras while neutralizing others. In 1983 the CIA decided to create a group of “Unilaterally Controlled Latino Assets”. These UCLA’s would “sabotage ports, refineries, boats and bridges, and try to make it look like the contras had done it.”[56] In January 1984, these UCLA’s performed their most famous, or infamous, operation, the last straw that led to the ratifying of the Boland Amendment, the mining of several Nicaraguan harbors
“The mines sank several Nicaraguan boats, damaged at least five foreign vessels, and brought an avalanche of international condemnation down on the United States. But from the administration’s point of view, the mines did their worst damage on Capitol Hill [the ratifying of the Boland Amendment].”[57]
This time no one was under the illusion that it was a deed by the FDN, ironically the event came as a surprise for them as well.
“The contras, it transpired, had been informed only after the fact of what the CIA was doing and were instructed to take credit. One contra leader was dragged from his bed at two a.m., handed a press release by a CIA contact, and told to read it over the contra radio before the Sandinistas broke the news.”[58]
After the ratification of the Boland Amendment, the secret supply network directed by Lt. Col. North became active.
“North had coordinated a secret contra supply operation from his office in the basement of the White House, in legal defiance of existing legislation but with the support of senior administration officials... North had also been deeply involved in shaping contra military and political strategy and in off-the-books schemes to pay for the supply flights and the munitions they carried. In Absence of Congressional appropriations, donations were gathered from private individuals and profits were diverted from the secret sales of arms to Iran. But the most significant unofficial funding for the contras came in the form of secret payments from conservative Third World governments solicited by senior American officials. Saudi Arabia alone contributed $32 million.”[59]
However, Cockburn claims that the result of the supply network wasn’t military success but increased living standards for the contra leaders.
“You’ve got estimates ranging between five thousand and thirty thousand tough contra soldiers on this border, yet they do not hold an inch of dirt. The only progress they’ve made is in purchasing condominiums... Why do you stop a war when people are getting very well off?”[60]
This was corroborated by an aid to LT. Col. North:
“ I’ve been in their accounting office. I’ve seen filing cabinets full of hundred-dollar bills, suitcases full of money... They were laundering money...These people don’t know they are even in a war, they think they are running a business.”[61]
There are even sources that say some of the American weapons intended for the contra effort were sold by contra leaders on the black market to the leftist guerrilla in El Salvador. Which is ironic since the first reason for American interventionism with the Sandinistas was to prevent them to supply weapons to the Salvadoran guerillas. It seems that the resources available to the contras was squandered, abused, and used for the personal gain of the leadership. And the resources that actually went all the way to the front line was used on civilian targets in bloody, meaningless acts of terror. The few, successful “contra” operations, such as the harbor mining, were performed by the CIA.
Oliver North came into the public spotlight as a result of his participation in the Iran-Contra affair, a political scandal of the late 1980s, in which he claimed partial responsibility for the sale of weapons via intermediaries to Iran, with the profits being channeled to the Contras in Nicaragua. He was reportedly responsible for the establishment of a covert network used for the purposes of aiding the Contras. U.S. funding of the Contras by appropriated funds spent by intelligence agencies had been prohibited by the Boland Amendment. Funding was facilitated through Palmer National Bank of Washington, D.C. It was founded in 1983 by Harvey McLean, Jr., a businessman from Shreveport, Louisiana. It was initially funded with $2.8 million dollars to McLean from Herman K. Beebe. Oliver North supposedly used this bank during the Iran-Contra scandal by funneling money from his shell organization, the "National Endowment for the Preservation of Liberty", through Palmer National Bank to the Contras.
According to the National Security Archive, in an August 23, 1986 e-mail to John Poindexter, Oliver North described a meeting with a representative of Panamanian President Manuel Noriega: "You will recall that over the years Manuel Noriega in Panama and I have developed a fairly good relationship", North writes before explaining Noriega's proposal. If U.S. officials can "help clean up his image" and lift the ban on arms sales to the Panamanian Defense Force, Noriega will "'take care of' the Sandinista leadership for us."[citation needed]
North tells Poindexter that Noriega can assist with sabotage against the Sandinistas, and supposedly suggests paying Noriega a million dollars cash; from "Project Democracy" funds raised from the sale of U.S. arms to Iran – for the Panamanian leader's help in destroying Nicaraguan economic installations.[citation needed]
In November 1986 as the sale of weapons was made public, North was fired by President Ronald Reagan, and in July 1987 he was summoned to testify before televised hearings of a joint Congressional committee formed to investigate Iran-Contra. The image of North taking the oath became iconic, and similar photographs made the cover of Time and Newsweek, and helped define him in the eyes of the public.[citation needed] During the hearings, North admitted that he had lied to Congress, for which he was later charged among other things. He defended his actions by stating that he believed in the goal of aiding the Contras, whom he saw as freedom fighters, and said that he viewed the Iran-Contra scheme as a "neat idea."[citation needed]
North was tried in 1988 in relation to his activities while at the National Security Council. He was indicted on sixteen felony counts and on May 4, 1989, he was initially convicted of three: accepting an illegal gratuity, aiding and abetting in the obstruction of a congressional inquiry, and destruction of documents (by his secretary, Fawn Hall, on his instructions). He was sentenced by U.S. District Judge Gerhard A. Gesell on July 5, 1989, to a three-year suspended prison term, two years probation, $150,000 in fines, and 1,200 hours community service.
However, on July 20, 1990, with the help of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU),[citation needed] North's convictions were vacated, after the appeals court found that witnesses in his trial might have been impermissibly affected by his immunized congressional testimony.[8] Because North had been granted limited immunity for his Congressional testimony, the law prohibited the independent counsel (or any prosecutor) from using that testimony as part of a criminal case against him. To prepare for the expected defense challenge that North's testimony had been used, the prosecution team had - before North's congressional testimony had been given - listed and isolated all its evidence[citation needed]; further, the individual members of the prosecution team had isolated themselves from news reports and discussion of North's testimony. While the defense could show no specific instance where any part of North's congressional testimony was used in his trial, the Court of Appeals ruled that the trial judge had made an insufficient examination of the issue, and ordered North's convictions reversed. The Supreme Court declined to review the case. After further hearings on the immunity issue, Judge Gesell dismissed all charges against North on September 16, 1991, on the motion of the independent counsel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandinista#American_funding_and_the_Iran.2FContra_Affair
 
Good response Tom. Thanks.

Let's see who tries to trivialize it.

It's fascinating that the ACLU, which many on the right consider to be a left wing organisation, managed to get Ollie North off the hook.

Q: Isn't the ACLU a left-wing organization? A: No! In fact, the ACLU is in many ways our nation's most conservative organization. Because our job is to conserve America's original civic values - the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Historically, we have agreed with conservatives on some issues and with liberals on others. For example, we worked with the National Rifle Association to defeat a proposal by the Federal Bureau of Investigation that would expand wiretapping authority. In Utah, the ACLU teamed with Phyllis Schafly to defeat a proposal for a "smart card" that would have carried information on everything from a person's shoe size to their medical history. The ACLU also filed a brief on the right of Oliver North not to incriminate himself when he testified before a congressional committee.

http://www.aclukswmo.org/?page=Learn
 
Far too many advanced concepts for the Reaganite to deal with....and Blabo started this thread for fun....I don't suppose he's having much joy.

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Well you are the lawyer/meter maid, why don't you use your laser-like lawyering skills to refute the points made?

so you don't have a point...thats what i thought

your massive cut and paste had nothing to do with my comment. but thanks for sharing and thanks again for obsessing over what i do for a living. i hope your life gets more interesting so you don't have to think about mine all the time.
 
it never ceases to amaze me, the total raging hard on to attempt to discredit reagan even after 20+ years

Maybe because Reagan began the destruction of America, the huge debt he created and the radicalization of the Republican party that Obama has to deal with today. The GOP are domestic terrorists.
 
Maybe because Reagan began the destruction of America, the huge debt he created and the radicalization of the Republican party that Obama has to deal with today. The GOP are domestic terrorists.

wait...huge debt is bad? why haven't i seen a single post from you criticizing obama's huge debt....
 
Far too many advanced concepts for the Reaganite to deal with....and Blabo started this thread for fun....I don't suppose he's having much joy.


Oh, but I am....Toms post about the CIA and Contras was interesting to say the least....though it all has next to nothing to do with Reagan or republicans in general....the CIA acting without Congressional pr Presidential authority isn't unheard of.....
Certainly, Contra operatons were not ever directed by the Reagan Administration......
North defied Reagan's Boland Amendment .....
anyway, all very interesting an all very irrelevant to the Reagan Presidency except that it took place while he was in office.

To make more out this is like peddling nonsense like the Mysterious Deaths surrounding Clinton.....or claiming Bush ordered the abuse at Abu Ghraib .

No one ever claimed Reagans 8 years was without some controversy and mishaps and yes....even scandal.....no President's term is.....

but the facts about Reagan and Bush remain......

Reagan's policies are widely recognized as bringing about the second longest peacetime economic expansion in U.S. history, surpassed in duration only by the 1990s expansion that began under George H. W. Bush in 1991.
 
Especially after he negotiated with Iranians to hold the hostages until after the election.

In Central America, Reagan-Bush ran a massive criminal operation that imported hundreds of tons of cocaine into the US and shipped arms illegally to the terrorist Contras that Reagan affectionately called "Freedom Fighters".

http://www.highstrangeness.tv/articles/reagan.php

Not to mention the supply side debt he created, which was the beginning of the end for the American Dream.

Funny how the radical right will believe myths.

Amen! None of them EVER acknowledge the criminality of Iran-Contra because there's no way to spin it in reagan's favor.
 
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