Obama: Crybaby Wannabe Toughguy President

Good Luck said:
The politicos on both sides recognize one thing: the economy sucks, sucks bad, and is more likely to get worse before it gets better. The thing is, debt ceiling raised or not, the economic crisis we are experiencing is not going to go away anytime soon, and the politicos of both flavors know this. And that is the reason for the intransigence in the halls of congress. Both sides know the the economy is going to continue to flag, and is likely to devolve into another recession, no matter what kinds of compromise they may engage in.

So it has become a war of rhetoric, seeking to blame the opposition for what they know is coming. Both side are engaging in the rhetoric blame wars, and both sides are scrambling to defend their positions. Unfortunately, Obama is more about participating in the rhetoric wars than he is in leading (the job of President IS leadership!) the federal government.

The problem with Obama is he just is not a leader. Many presidents have worked with a hostile congress controlled or semi-controlled by the opposition. Good presidents manage to do so, and get things done. Reagan did it with congress under the leadership of Tip O'Neill, bringing about significant economic recovery in 3 years from a economic conditions worse than we face now. (though, in defense of Obama - which you'll hardly ever see me do - the economic situation is vastly worse, even while conditions are not as bad.) And Clinton did an outstanding job of working with the Republican controlled congress under the leadership of Newt Gingrich. But Clinton and Reagan were leaders. Obama, sadly, is not, at a time when we desperately need a real leader.
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Superfreak said:
Give me a break.... what exactly do you think Obama did with his fear mongering 'I just don't know if SS checks will go out' line of crap???



So to you a position of 'I won't agree to a short term deal that will give more time to work on a long term deal (that obviously the two sides aren't close to reaching)'.... that is RATIONAL??? While I agree the two parties in Congress have done exactly as you have stated above, Obama is NOT doing anything to help the situation and he is thinking almost entirely about how things will affect HIS reelection. Which puts him in the same little insane boat as the others.
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Get real, SF. How does agreeing to cuts in SS, Medicaid and Medicare help Obama's chances for re-election? Obama and the Democrats have proposed ridiculously generous deals making huge concessions while the Republicans have conceded exactly nothing. The deals that Obama have proposed are more generous to Republicans than anything going back to the Reagan administration. The Republicans refuse to take yes for an answer and it's obvious why they're doing it: next year is an election year.
 
David St. Hubbins said:
Get real, SF. How does agreeing to cuts in SS, Medicaid and Medicare help Obama's chances for re-election? Obama and the Democrats have proposed ridiculously generous deals making huge concessions while the Republicans have conceded exactly nothing. The deals that Obama have proposed are more generous to Republicans than anything going back to the Reagan administration. The Republicans refuse to take yes for an answer and it's obvious why they're doing it: next year is an election year.
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This.
 
Superfreak said:
This is nonsense
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Fixed. The leadership void isn't in the White House, it's in the House Republican caucus. Tip O'Neill and Newt Gingrich could at least control their members and were legitimate negotiating partners. In the House right now the inmates are running the asylum and Cantor is doing whatever the inmates want him to do instead of actually leading.

Boehner, meanwhile, is . . . who knows? Anyone find it remarkably odd that we haven't heard shit from Boehner on this? Where is he? He is the Speaker isn't he?
 
why the fuck is Obama letting that vagina Cantor in the room.
Probably because he knows cantor is a pussy and will lead the dixtard conservatards down the plank.

I can hear Obama now. These clowns want to cut your ss and medicare, but don't want to touch military and police state budgets.
 
David St. Hubbins said:
Get real, SF. How does agreeing to cuts in SS, Medicaid and Medicare help Obama's chances for re-election? Obama and the Democrats have proposed ridiculously generous deals making huge concessions while the Republicans have conceded exactly nothing. The deals that Obama have proposed are more generous to Republicans than anything going back to the Reagan administration. The Republicans refuse to take yes for an answer and it's obvious why they're doing it: next year is an election year.
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Get real Dung.... tell us.... Is Obama going to cut spending back to levels of 2006 (adjusted for inflation/population growth)? Or is he proposing that we continue outspending revenue by just $1.2 Trillion per year rather than $1.5 Trillion per year???

also.... do list the details of WHAT it is Obama is going to cut. Because $2 Trillion over a DECADE is only $200B per year.... $4 Trillion over a decade is $400B per year. Yet we are outspending revenue by $1.5 TRILLION per year. Do the math moron. It is basic enough that anyone (other than perhaps Ditzie) can do it.
 
The Dude said:
why the fuck is Obama letting that vagina Cantor in the room.
Probably because he knows cantor is a pussy and will lead the dixtard conservatards down the plank.

I can hear Obama now. These clowns want to cut your ss and medicare, but don't want to touch military and police state budgets.
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Because Obama is a bigger vagina?
 
that is a big possibility
Obama is a huge hypocrite

the question is he a bigger douche than the douche who win the republican nomination.

Where is Romney on military spending and jailing poor people for ganja?
 
Superfreak said:
Get real Dung.... tell us.... Is Obama going to cut spending back to levels of 2006 (adjusted for inflation/population growth)? Or is he proposing that we continue outspending revenue by just $1.2 Trillion per year rather than $1.5 Trillion per year???

also.... do list the details of WHAT it is Obama is going to cut. Because $2 Trillion over a DECADE is only $200B per year.... $4 Trillion over a decade is $400B per year. Yet we are outspending revenue by $1.5 TRILLION per year. Do the math moron. It is basic enough that anyone (other than perhaps Ditzie) can do it.
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The Ryan Plan, the Republican wet dream, reduces the deficit by $4.4T over the next 10 years. Obama's proposal is slightly under that, but it isn't too far off. And the Republicans rejected it outright. And you're telling me that Obama is problem here? Not. Even. Close.


Edit: I would just like to note that the terms of the debt ceiling negotiations, per the Republicans, are that the deficit reduction must be equivalent to the amount of the debt ceiling increase. Obama was pushing for a $2T debt ceiling increase, hence the $2T debt reduction package. So, if you want to get pissy about the size the debt reductions, blame the Republicans. Obama is just adhering to their terms.
 
Onceler said:
Couldn't come up w/ a better one liner than that?

Yeah - in talks like this, there are certainly some basic guidelines on media access and the flow of information...
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ah, you mean the president gets to tell the media what is going to happen and the congressmen shut the fuck up?........
 
PostmodernProphet said:
ah, you mean the president gets to tell the media what is going to happen and the congressmen shut the fuck up?........
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Um, no. I mean that there are some aspects of the talks that you discuss, and some - particularly personal encounters - that the press doesn't need to hear about. Since Cantor's grandstanding, every news outlet is now describing talks as "acrimonious" (which is wonderful for instilling confidence around the world), and China is threatening America's credit rating.

And you're defending that. Nice.
 
Yurt said:
yep...anything that shows obama in a bad light must never come to light
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I'd be perfectly fine if he wants to hold a news conference about it after a deal is made, and write a book about it if he wants to.

But you have to be an idiot to ignore what the unnecessary, politically-charged details he decided to make public yesterday have done, and the effect they have had. Anyone who tries to make an argument that they have somehow benefitted the talks or our credit standing is delusional...
 
Onceler said:
Um, no. I mean that there are some aspects of the talks that you discuss, and some - particularly personal encounters - that the press doesn't need to hear about. Since Cantor's grandstanding, every news outlet is now describing talks as "acrimonious" (which is wonderful for instilling confidence around the world), and China is threatening America's credit rating.

And you're defending that. Nice.
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I've always thought honesty was the best policy, yes.....
 
Onceler said:
and the effect they have had. Anyone who tries to make an argument that they have somehow benefitted the talks or our credit standing is delusional...
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I disagree....it will have benefited the talks if it brings us farther away from idiotic tax increases and closer to spending cuts....
 
Onceler said:
I'd be perfectly fine if he wants to hold a news conference about it after a deal is made, and write a book about it if he wants to.

But you have to be an idiot to ignore what the unnecessary, politically-charged details he decided to make public yesterday have done, and the effect they have had. Anyone who tries to make an argument that they have somehow benefitted the talks or our credit standing is delusional...
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and the hack whines again....obama's fear mongering over SS is just fine....but damn it to hell to if a republican talks about obama's hissy fit.

lol
 
Yurt said:
and the hack whines again....obama's fear mongering over SS is just fine....but damn it to hell to if a republican talks about obama's hissy fit.

lol
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Oh...is this you "debating", and not "ad homming?" LOL

I see you ran away - like sprinted, frantically - from the fact that Cantor, your new ODS hero & true love, clearly hurt not just the talks, but the perception of how they're going around the globe, and the effect of that on both China & potentially our credit rating.

You must adore Cantor now. Do you think he's cute, too?
 
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