How a one-term president is made

Superfreak said:
Because Romney IS the serious candidate of the two. Bachmann is too far to the right to win the general election. Romney can easily pull in the moderates of both parties and the Independents. It is the far right that will be trouble for Romney, hence is tougher challenge is winning the Rep nomination.
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That's the "conventional wisdom", that you have to be in the center to win the presidency. But McCain was clearly a centrist, and Obama was (is) a far leftist. And Reagan, obviously conservative, crushed Carter.

I'm on record here back in 2008 when The Obama won that he would be Carter II, and that would set us up for Reagan II. So far I've been spot-on.
 
David St. Hubbins said:
As far as candidates are concerned, I think Palin or Bachmann would be easier to defeat than Romney. But as a matter of principle, I think it's too frightening a prospect that one of them might actually become President of the United States of America to want one of them to win the Republican nomination.
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This is a perfect example of what I just posted to SF and cawacko. This is the exact same sentiment that liberals exhibited towards Reagan during the primary season leading up to Reagan's landslide against Carter. They kept it up all during his administration, through his second term victory, up to and including the present time. :)
 
Damn Yankee said:
That's the "conventional wisdom", that you have to be in the center to win the presidency. But McCain was clearly a centrist, and Obama was (is) a far leftist. And Reagan, obviously conservative, crushed Carter.

I'm on record here back in 2008 when The Obama won that he would be Carter II, and that would set us up for Reagan II. So far I've been spot-on.
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McCain was a centrist, but made two fatal mistakes....

1) Putting Palin on the ticket which blew up once she started getting interviewed
2) being Republican at a time the economy was blowing up under Rep leadership

By today's standards, Reagan was a moderate. Romney is by far the closest of those running to what Reagan stood for.
 
Superfreak said:
McCain was a centrist, but made two fatal mistakes....

1) Putting Palin on the ticket which blew up once she started getting interviewed
2) being Republican at a time the economy was blowing up under Rep leadership

By today's standards, Reagan was a moderate. Romney is by far the closest of those running to what Reagan stood for.
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LOL You sir, are insane.

1. Palin energized the ticket. If not for her McCain would have been speaking to crowds numbering in the hundreds, not thousands.
2. Good point, except it was blowing up due to big government GOP leadership.
3. Reagan is the standard by which conservatives are measured- not exactly moderate. Look at conservative.org for an explanation.
 
signalmankenneth said:
The possibility that Obama will end up like Carter and Bush 41 has never been more real
By Steve Kornacki

Republicans hope to unseat President Obama next year with a message that goes something like this: He inherited a bad economy and made it worse, squandered hundreds of billions of dollars on a stimulus program that didn't create jobs, and blew a massive hole in the deficit that sapped the private sector's confidence.
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doesn't that pretty much cover it?.....
 
signalmankenneth said:
Contrast Obama's plight to the situation Ronald Reagan faced at this same point in his presidency. Like Obama, Reagan came to power during a period of intense economic anxiety, with unemployment, inflation and interest rates all alarmingly high. And things only got worse in Reagan's first two years as president, with a full-blown recession breaking out in the fall of 1981 and joblessness soaring to well over 10 percent. Reagan's approval rating dipped below 40 percent, his party suffered a drubbing in the 1982 midterms, and even members of his own party began dismissing him as a one-term president.
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right.....that's why he only won 49 of the 50 states in getting re-elected.....the truth is, by the time Reagan was running for re-election the majority of voters everywhere, wanted to vote for him......and it wasn't because he handled the economy the same way Obama did......
 
Damn Yankee said:
LOL You sir, are insane.

1. Palin energized the ticket. If not for her McCain would have been speaking to crowds numbering in the hundreds, not thousands.
2. Good point, except it was blowing up due to big government GOP leadership.
3. Reagan is the standard by which conservatives are measured- not exactly moderate. Look at conservative.org for an explanation.
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1) Yes, she initially energized the ticket and most certainly kept the far right happy, but she then proceeded to demonstrate the fact that she wasn't ready to be a heartbeat away from the Presidency and she cost McCain among moderates and Independents.
2) ok... so I said it was blowing up under Rep leadership and you changed it to GOP... thanks for that clarification
3) As I stated, BY TODAY'S STANDARDS.... Reagan would be a moderate.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
does it really matter?......unless Obama makes some major changes, any one of them can beat him.....
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No... Palin cannot. Bachmann can if things get worse, but she is a bit too far to the right for most independents and many moderate Dems.

Romney can win moderates of both parties and the independents... his problem lies with the far right.
 
Superfreak said:
1) Yes, she initially energized the ticket and most certainly kept the far right happy, but she then proceeded to demonstrate the fact that she wasn't ready to be a heartbeat away from the Presidency and she cost McCain among moderates and Independents.
2) ok... so I said it was blowing up under Rep leadership and you changed it to GOP... thanks for that clarification
3) As I stated, BY TODAY'S STANDARDS.... Reagan would be a moderate.
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1. No. Most people saw that she was treated unfairly by the press, who were for The Obama. People aren't as stupid as you make them out to be.
2. You can't read. I said "big government GOP", which conservatives do not like.
3. Today's standards are as stated on the conservative.org web site. Reagan is today's standard bearer.
 
Superfreak said:
No... Palin cannot. Bachmann can if things get worse, but she is a bit too far to the right for most independents and many moderate Dems.

Romney can win moderates of both parties and the independents... his problem lies with the far right.
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The problem with Romney is that he wouldn't be different in any significant way than Obama, who isn't different from Bush. Which means that the election would be irrelevant.
 
Crashk said:
This country will not elect a mormon cult member president.
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Interesting. Much the same was said about a certain Catholic, then later about a black man. This country isn't as bigoted as you, and assuming they are usually makes you look like a fool.
 
Rep. Michele Bachmann’s lead over former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney in Iowa may be significantly larger than the four points shown in the Voter/Consumer Research poll. A closer look at the poll shows that among voters described as “most attentive,” Bachmann holds a 14-point lead over Romney, 32 percent to 18 percent, The Washington Post reports.
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Amazing the depths to which BOBS will go to "explain" why Obama could well become the third one-term president in less than 40 years. The real reason is easy to determine. Carter was a poor leader. (he has since proven to be an outstanding statesman, but he was a poor leader as president.) Daddy Bush was a poor leader. And Obama is a poor leader. People want a president who LEADS. They thought they had it in "Hope and Change", Bob-the-builder rip off artist ("Can we do it? Yes we can!"), Barrack Obama. The people are finding out they were wrong in thinking of Obama as a leader. And that is why Obama is facing the likelyhood of being the next one-term president.
 
Good Luck said:
Amazing the depths to which BOBS will go to "explain" why Obama could well become the third one-term president in less than 40 years. The real reason is easy to determine. Carter was a poor leader. (he has since proven to be an outstanding statesman, but he was a poor leader as president.) Daddy Bush was a poor leader. And Obama is a poor leader. People want a president who LEADS. They thought they had it in "Hope and Change", Bob-the-builder rip off artist ("Can we do it? Yes we can!"), Barrack Obama. The people are finding out they were wrong in thinking of Obama as a leader. And that is why Obama is facing the likelyhood of being the next one-term president.
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I'm a big fan of Bush Sr., and some of my other favorites were 1st termers. They can often simply be too good for the minds of most Americans to comprehend, seeing as how most Americans are moronic proles. It isn't Obama's leadership that makes him weak, but his policy. That said, the man is a complete bore, which is why I find it funny how the media constantly calls him "exciting" and the Republican line-up is called "boring."
 
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