Obama's American divide~
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wanderingbear
Radical liberal
Rich people don't work for a living. They have pee ons to do it for them.
apple0154
MEOW
Pee ons!
Good one, Wandering bear!
Yeah, that's a healthy outlook. Without the wealthy there would be no government to provide for the lazy; the incompetent; or the truly needy. The insatiable hunger of a socialist government will, in the end, cause more poverty and need then when it first began.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
ever wonder why there's such a divide between the wealthy and the not wealthy?
apple0154
MEOW
When one looks at past, failed Socialist governments they invariably involved a tyrannical leader. How many past, failed Socialist governments were democratic?
When we look at current governments that are considered Socialist we see they are doing quite well according to the citizens of those countries and that's what's important. As long as the ruling class, the leaders, can be changed by voting the people can decide what programs are desired. The perfect example is government medical. Not one country wants to revert to the old "pay or suffer" system.
The government, by providing services, operates much like a large retailer. One of the reasons items are cheaper at Wal-Mart is because every department does not have a business owner. Every small business, be it a hardware store or a clothing store or a gardening store or an electronics store, has at least one person who expects to make $60,000/yr or $80,000/yr or $100,000 as owner. The garden store owner is spending the majority of his day doing the same job as the guy in the gardening section of Wal-Mart just like the clothing store owner and the electronics store owner.
Why should people pay private daycare operators when the government can provide a daycare network? Why pay private insurance companies, be it home or auto, when the government can provide such services? Or private medical clinics?
The root of the problem is the concern over individuals having jobs and trying to obtain products and services for themselves when the concern should be the overall welfare of the citizens. We live in a society where people are obliged to have a job regardless of what that job contributes to society. The goal of each individual is to get money from other individuals regardless of the worth of their product or service. It is a massive waste of human potential on a world-wide scale.
apple0154
MEOW
Once an individual reaches a certain point, obtains a certain degree of wealth, they make their income off the labor of others.
You mean they provide an opportunity for others to earn a living...how evil of them~
They are not doing quite well Apple...they are failing. You want the government to act like a mommy and a daddy as well as a tyrant. Take whatever money they want from an individual via taxation (the tyrant) then distribute as they see best (mommy and daddy).
SmarterthanYou
rebel
i'd never have thought i'd see a bfgrn response from you. you're smarter than that.
Liberty
Libertarian Minded
Obamas an "old south, white slave plantation owner" want to be.
He is,,,, what he is.
Liberty
Libertarian Minded
What?
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
or would that be pay ons.......since they are actually paying people to do things for them.....
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
I assume you're referring to the income they use to pay those others for their labor?......
apple0154
MEOW
If the citizens want change they vote the party out.
Survey after survey taken in a number of Northern European countries show that people prefer their government organize services that the vast majority of citizens require. From daycare to medical, from public transport to welfare, the citizens desire an organized and efficient lifestyle.
How many communities (besides where Damocles lives) have to get together to decide when and who will repair the street? Or the sewer or water or street lamps, etc. Governments, whether local or State or Federal, look after things we all require allowing us more time and more freedom to do other things.
apple0154
MEOW
How do you think business owners make large sums of money? A person owning a plumbing shop employing a number of staff and earning $500,000/yr is not working 10 times as quick as the individual tradesman earning $50,000/yr.
Let's hear your reasoning how they earn their money if not off the labor of others?
apple0154
MEOW
What, what?
apple0154
MEOW
They use a portion of the income to pay for labor and keep the rest. That's why a plumbing company will charge $80/hr or $90/hr for the services of a plumber but pay the actual plumber $30/hr. After paying benefits and expenses they pocket the rest.
G
Guns Guns Guns
Guest
Now, Apple....don't you know that Ms. Damn Stankee is all about the worker - if the worker in question is a (possibly illegal) immigrant whore?
Good Luck
New member
Of COURSE some people "make their income off the labor of others". Every business which is not run 100% by the owners (probably 90%+, from the local grocer who hires a few cashiers to the building contractor who hires carpenters, masons, etc, to General Motors Corporation who employs so many workers the government has made the tax payer responsible for keeping them from going bankrupt - oh, wait, they DID go bankrupt anyway) derives its income from the labor of those who are employed by said business. So what is your point? Most of those who are labeled wealthy by the whiny socialist twits own businesses. Most of them work as hard, if not harder, at running their businesses. So what?
Did you have a point for making this rather overly-obvious statement? Are you trying to imply that it is somehow WRONG for people to make their income off the labor of others? Or did you make that statement just to state the obvious. Like "down" is the direction toward the center of mass of a large gravitational body?