A Case for Michelle Bachmann

Damn Yankee said:
Nice burn on Bfgrn, The Dude. :good4u:
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So, you endorse The Dude/Topspin's constant 'dropout' attack, even though you know the reason I was forced to quit school was because my mother died, my father was terminally ill and as the oldest sibling, I chose to take care of my 13 year old sister and 7 year old brother?

That would make you a REAL partisan hack.
 
The Dude said:
The Dude Abides!
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You know, even though it was almost 40 years ago, I still remember the day my mom died. She had been in a coma for 9 days, so we knew the chances of survival were slim. But nothing in my life ever hit me that hard. I didn't think a human being could possibly cry as much as I did that day...but I did. My heart ached and my mind kept reminding me of things I did and said to her that were not always loving. I prayed that she knew how much I loved her and that she would forgive me for the times I wasn't the son she deserved.

It was a warm day in July, and my 7 year old brother was outside playing and racing his Big Wheel up and down the sidewalk. He had no idea what had happened to his life...yet. I called him in and sat him on my knee and tried to find the words that would tell him what just happened, but somehow give him comfort. I told him mom wasn't coming home. I said God wanted her to come to His house, but someday we would join her.

I remember at the funeral breakfast my grandfather was standing against the wall. I went up to him and gave him a hug. I told him what a great father he was to my mom. I remember him saying...'my little girl'...'my little girl is gone'...'she was just playing in the back yard'...you see when you are a parent, time is static. 5, 15, 25, 35, 45...they are still your little girl or boy. The time flies by, but the little bundle of joy you held as an infant changes you for life. It wakes something inside you that is instinctual. It proves to even an atheist that there has to be a God.
 
Bfgrn said:
So, you endorse The Dude/Topspin's constant 'dropout' attack, even though you know the reason I was forced to quit school was because my mother died, my father was terminally ill and as the oldest sibling, I chose to take care of my 13 year old sister and 7 year old brother?

That would make you a REAL partisan hack.
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How long ago was that and you're still crying? Your parents didn't take personal responsibility and purchase adequate life insurance and set up who takes care of the kids if the unthinkable happens. You've continued that cycle of not taking personal responsibility with your own life by embracing liberalism, a political philosophy that hates personal responsibility.

My parents always had a will and insurance. My wife and I have done the same and kept it all updated. We've had to change our children's contingency caretakers several times as my parents situation changed, my wife's mom, then two of my sisters, in turn, then back to my wife's mom, which was touch-n-go until her son died of a long illness. He, by the way, paid for all of his hospitalization, well over a million dollars, from his inheritance from his father's will and life insurance. We elected to give our share all to him, and my sister-in-law did the same. When he died it was all gone except less than $100k, and after taxes our share was less than $20k. Finally now our son is 19 and very responsible and he would be the guardian for our daughter, and my wife's mom the secondary as well as executor until they are both college graduates.

Don't expect me to defend you. Defend yourself.
 
Damn Yankee said:
How long ago was that and you're still crying? Your parents didn't take personal responsibility and purchase adequate life insurance and set up who takes care of the kids if the unthinkable happens. You've continued that cycle of not taking personal responsibility with your own life by embracing liberalism, a political philosophy that hates personal responsibility.

My parents always had a will and insurance. My wife and I have done the same and kept it all updated. We've had to change our children's contingency caretakers several times as my parents situation changed, my wife's mom, then two of my sisters, in turn, then back to my wife's mom, which was touch-n-go until her son died of a long illness. He, by the way, paid for all of his hospitalization, well over a million dollars, from his inheritance from his father's will and life insurance. We elected to give our share all to him, and my sister-in-law did the same. When he died it was all gone except less than $100k, and after taxes our share was less than $20k. Finally now our son is 19 and very responsible and he would be the guardian for our daughter, and my wife's mom the secondary as well as executor until they are both college graduates.

Don't expect me to defend you. Defend yourself.
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Good for you. My parents did the same for us. I've done the same for my kids.

Liberal upbringing is the ultimate in personal responsibility...meaning YOU, not your parents make YOUR decisions. My parents were loving, nurturing, supporting and encouraging. But they always let me make MY OWN decisions. They knew that the only lessons we learn are from our own successes and failures.

The progressive worldview is modeled on a nurturant parent family. Briefly, it assumes that the world is basically good and can be made better and that one must work toward that. Children are born good; parents can make them better. Nurturing involves empathy, and the responsibility to take care of oneself and others for whom we are responsible.

The traditional conservative upbringing is called the strict father model. It assumes that the world is dangerous and difficult and that children are born bad and must be made good. The strict father is the moral authority who supports and defends the family, tells his wife what to do, and teaches his kids right from wrong. The only way to do that is through painful discipline - physical punishment that by adulthood will become internal discipline. The good people are the disciplined people. Once grown, the self-reliant, disciplined children are on their own. Those children who remain dependent (who were spoiled, overly willful, or recalcitrant) should be forced to undergo further discipline or be cut free with no support to face the discipline of the outside world.

It explains a LOT about the differences between liberals and conservatives. It explains why conservatives lack empathy, are extremely rigid, conformist and gravitate to authoritarianism.
 
Bfgrn said:
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The traditional conservative upbringing is called the strict father model. It assumes that the world is dangerous and difficult and that children are born bad and must be made good. The strict father is the moral authority who supports and defends the family, tells his wife what to do, and teaches his kids right from wrong. The only way to do that is through painful discipline - physical punishment that by adulthood will become internal discipline. The good people are the disciplined people. Once grown, the self-reliant, disciplined children are on their own. Those children who remain dependent (who were spoiled, overly willful, or recalcitrant) should be forced to undergo further discipline or be cut free with no support to face the discipline of the outside world.

It explains a LOT about the differences between liberals and conservatives. It explains why conservatives lack empathy, are extremely rigid, conformist and gravitate to authoritarianism.
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How retarded, using your own definitions of conservatism other than the definition that conservatives use for themselves. It results in your ironic conclusion: 'gravitation towards authoritarianism' that is the exact result of liberalism.
 
Yurt said:
interesting analysis, but you are hanging your hate mostly on the fact she can win because the left is mysogynist and palin already took those bullets, so bachman will be safe. doesn't fly. and you touched very little on her qualifications and platform.
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I think the "took the bullets" analogy is about right, good way to put it. That's exactly how I think it will play this time, because people have heard the same complaints on Palin. But the real kicker is the difference in how Bachmann handles such attacks and how Palin chose to handle them. Where Palin became somewhat loud and shrill, drawing more attention to herself, Bachmann is more stoic and reserved, dismissing the criticism and remaining focused on the message... just a completely different style and demeanor. As for her qualifications and platform, I thought I articulated it very well.. she is tenaciously focused on core conservative first-principles, and this is exactly what the TEA Party is energized by. She has more experience dealing with foreign policy and national security at the Congressional level, than Palin, or Romney for that matter. But the main qualification she has, that I particularly like, is the ability to sign her name. Yeah, that's right... You see, we need a president who is very good at signing their name, because the Republican-controlled congress is going to be sending a LOT of repeal legislation to the Oval Office for a signature.
 
Damn Yankee said:
How retarded, using your own definitions of conservatism other than the definition that conservatives use for themselves. It results in your ironic conclusion: 'gravitation towards authoritarianism' that is the exact result of liberalism.
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No, you can make any 'claims' you want, but there is no way to create authoritarian beliefs in a person other than a conservative upbringing. Liberalism is the antonym of authoritarianism.

You right wingers are so dumb. You claim you want less government, ONLY when a Democrat is in the White House, or Democrats control Congress. Otherwise, you will defense to the death authoritarians like Bush and Cheney, sanction torture of human beings (see Nazi Germany, Stalin's USSR). And you right wingers absolutely fawn over recent little dictators like Scott Walker and Chris Christie...the more inhumane and dictatorial they are, the bigger boner you get.
 
...but there is no way to create authoritarian beliefs in a person other than a conservative upbringing. Liberalism is the antonym of authoritarianism.
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This is just stupid on it's face. What do you call a health care bill which forces citizens to buy a product? What do you call a judge who ignores 5,000 years of tradition to make something legal that never has been? What about a President who invades countries with the military, without a Declaration of War or even consulting with Congress pursuant to the War Powers Act? ...It all sounds pretty damn 'authoritarian' to me... downright FASCIST!
 
Bfgrn said:
No, you can make any 'claims' you want, but there is no way to create authoritarian beliefs in a person other than a conservative upbringing. Liberalism is the antonym of authoritarianism.

You right wingers are so dumb. You claim you want less government, ONLY when a Democrat is in the White House, or Democrats control Congress. Otherwise, you will defense to the death authoritarians like Bush and Cheney, sanction torture of human beings (see Nazi Germany, Stalin's USSR). And you right wingers absolutely fawn over recent little dictators like Scott Walker and Chris Christie...the more inhumane and dictatorial they are, the bigger boner you get.
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LOL, those named are "dictators". I'm only surprised that you didn't call them Nazis.

That fact is that liberals want more government and conservatives want less. Which route gives the government more authority and which gives it less?
 
Dixie said:
This is just stupid on it's face. What do you call a health care bill which forces citizens to buy a product? What do you call a judge who ignores 5,000 years of tradition to make something legal that never has been? What about a President who invades countries with the military, without a Declaration of War or even consulting with Congress pursuant to the War Powers Act? ...It all sounds pretty damn 'authoritarian' to me... downright FASCIST!
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Let's see what you are complaining about Dixie...

A health care bill that will outlaw REAL death panels by 'profits before patients' cartels. A bill that didn't have enough support for the liberal/progressive Public Option, so we were forced to settle for the Individual Mandate created by Republicans and the Heritage Foundation in the early '90's?

As a member of NATO and the UN, America should have opt'ed out this time and allow a genocide?

You will have to fill me in on the 5,000 year thing.
 
Damn Yankee said:
LOL, those named are "dictators". I'm only surprised that you didn't call them Nazis.

That fact is that liberals want more government and conservatives want less. Which route gives the government more authority and which gives it less?
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No, you only want less Democrats and liberals in government. The proof is in the pudding. I don't want more government, I want a more effective government. A government whose priorities are We, the People, not We, the corporations, lobbyists, polluters, special interests and the elite.

Harry S. and JFK nailed it:

"Harry Truman once said, 'There are 14 or 15 million Americans who have the resources to have representatives in Washington to protect their interests, and that the interests of the great mass of the other people - the 150 or 160 million - is the responsibility of the president of the United States, and I propose to fulfill it.'"
President John F. Kennedy
 
Bfgrn said:
Let's see what you are complaining about Dixie...

A health care bill that will outlaw REAL death panels by 'profits before patients' cartels. A bill that didn't have enough support for the liberal/progressive Public Option, so we were forced to settle for the Individual Mandate created by Republicans and the Heritage Foundation in the early '90's?
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The bill contains the word "shall" 3425 times. ... to tell you how the government "shall" stay out of your health-care decisions, right?
 
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