the ATF has some 'splaining' to do

SmarterThanYou said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
and for the umpteenth time, your interpretation of the 2nd Amendment, your gunner propaganda is no substitute for a proper, comprehensive reading of the Second Amendment.
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talk about felony stupid, this would be you. a 'comprehensive reading' is not supposed to be done with modern definitions. It's not even funny anymore that you'd tell James Madison he wasn't reading the constitution correctly.
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Spare me your bluff and bluster, STY...you're no more an expert on the 2nd Amendment that I....the difference is that I don't LIE about what other people are saying and how they came to say it...as you falsely accuse me here. Unlike paranoid gunners, I read comprehensively what was written, which means you include ALL sentences and not succumb to the myopia that you obviously have.

That being said, let's stay focused on the subject at hand, shall we?

Again: The current ATF story is ungoing...and I'll wait for the updates and final reports before making blanket statments. As I previously showed, the ATF is FAR MORE than the one note democracy killing machine you portray it to be. I'm all for kicking ass and taking names when it screws up, but you don't throw out the baby with the bathwater.
 
The 2nd Amendment ?

For Christ sake...its only 27 words.....and I don't give a shit what other people are saying, I CAN READ IT MYSELF.....



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bravo said:
The 2nd Amendment ?

For Christ sake...its only 27 words.....and I don't give a shit what other people are saying, I CAN READ IT MYSELF.....



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Oh wow, Bravo can read all by himself folks!

Whoop-dee-do! :good4u:

Now that we've been graced with that newsbuster....let's all watch the news unfold regarding the ATF and who's head is going to roll regarding this latest debacle.
 
Sterling Archer said:
In 1962 Taichi would have written...

Originally Posted by (Sterling Archer in a childish attempt to slander) Taichiliberal
Difficult does not equate impossible....never has. Essentially people are bitching about paperwork and time frames...so please spare us all the exaggeration of "virtually impossible", because if you meet the criteria, you'll get TO VOTE. Just because you want TO VOTE doesn't automatically mean you get TO VOTE, or should get TO VOTE. And there have been state, city, town RESTRICTION ON VOTING since the frontier days. Like I said, BLACKS want autonomy in this regard...but in a democracy where people vote, they are not always going to get it. My previous statement stands valid.
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WTF are you babbling about, Archie boy? Only a complete idiot or some foreigner ignorant of American history and stoned on right wingnut radio would even begin to contemplate the revision bilge you spewed here. The chronology of the post just doesn't support your accusation, Archie boy. But if you want to grind that psychotic axe of yours, by all means do continue.
 
Sterling Archer said:
And why shouldn't we eliminate this criminal government department?
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Posts #169, 175 and 176. If you STILL don't understand why your absurd label of "criminal" just doesn't apply, then get an adult to explain it to you. Or, you can continue to grind your axe as expected. I'll respond only if you're up to a rational, mature discussion on the subject.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Posts #169, 175 and 176. If you STILL don't understand why your absurd label of "criminal" just doesn't apply, then get an adult to explain it to you. Or, you can continue to grind your axe as expected. I'll respond only if you're up to a rational, mature discussion on the subject.
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Your sole response has been a cliche line about babies and bathing. The fact remains that ATF serves no legitimate function of government, and even the most quasi-necessary one (FFL regulation) can and should be handled by the FBI, who regulate the NICS and other background checks. In fact ,other than pure administration costs, the ATF reduces government efficiency and increases cost to no benefit of the government or the nation. Even without this incident (and other notable criminal actions) the ATF should be removed and it's extremely limited duties transferred to other government agencies.
 
Taichiliberal said:

WTF are you babbling about, Archie boy? Only a complete idiot or some foreigner ignorant of American history and stoned on right wingnut radio would even begin to contemplate the revision bilge you spewed here. The chronology of the post just doesn't support your accusation, Archie boy. But if you want to grind that psychotic axe of yours, by all means do continue.
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So laws regulating one fundamental right (voting) are bad and unconstitutional, but laws and regulations impeding another right (to personally own and bear arms) are perfectly acceptable? Why shouldn't we have a literacy test or poll tax for voting like we do with guns? Clearly the position you stated for guns would be consistent with doing ti for other fundamental rights.
 
The powers-that-be at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives are tone deaf.

Sharyl Attkisson of CBS News posted this Tweet a couple of hours ago:

ATF Phoenix case agent Hope MacAllister --headed ATF's controversial gunwalking op-- today reportedly recvd national ATF "Lifesaving Award."

someone tell me how being complicit in the deaths of innocent people warrants a 'lifesaving award'?
 
Sterling Archer said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Posts #169, 175 and 176. If you STILL don't understand why your absurd label of "criminal" just doesn't apply, then get an adult to explain it to you. Or, you can continue to grind your axe as expected. I'll respond only if you're up to a rational, mature discussion on the subject.
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Your sole response has been a cliche line about babies and bathing. The fact remains that ATF serves no legitimate function of government, and even the most quasi-necessary one (FFL regulation) can and should be handled by the FBI, who regulate the NICS and other background checks. In fact ,other than pure administration costs, the ATF reduces government efficiency and increases cost to no benefit of the government or the nation. Even without this incident (and other notable criminal actions) the ATF should be removed and it's extremely limited duties transferred to other government agencies.
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Evidently, Archie boy is either genuingly ignorant or willfully ignorant regarding a time honored American phrase used to describe a situation. I'll dumb it down for him....the "baby" would be the ATF, the "bathwater" would be the morons who screwed up this latest scheme to track guns from the USA to Mexican criminals. In other words, you don't destroy an entire institution because of a screw-up.

The rest of Archie's rant is the usual anti-gov't/gunner clap trap, where they just recreate the wheel regarding what the ATF does, ignore WHY the ATF was invented in the first place. Essentially, Archie rails against one gov't agency and what it does (or what Archie accuses it of doing), but then turns around and says that these functions can be distributed among other gov't agencies.

So if what the ATF does is so illegal and unconstitutional, according to Archie, then what would make it's functions more acceptable done by other agencies?

Archie boy needs to think things through before his fingers hits the keys. :o
 
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Sterling Archer said:
WTF are you babbling about, Archie boy? Only a complete idiot or some foreigner ignorant of American history and stoned on right wingnut radio would even begin to contemplate the revision bilge you spewed here. The chronology of the post just doesn't support your accusation, Archie boy. But if you want to grind that psychotic axe of yours, by all means do continue.
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So laws regulating one fundamental right (voting) are bad and unconstitutional, but laws and regulations impeding another right (to personally own and bear arms) are perfectly acceptable? Why shouldn't we have a literacy test or poll tax for voting like we do with guns? Clearly the position you stated for guns would be consistent with doing ti for other fundamental rights.
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Folks, here's what's got Archie's panties in a bunch

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...-has-some-splaining-to-do&p=827954#post827954

unable to logically or factually fault me, Archie tries to construct all types of absurd comparisons and such in order to change the subject or defend his suppositions and conjecture. Post #188 displays Archie's dishonest, dodgy and covoluted "logic" and why I responded as I did...so there's little point in trying to carry on a rational and honest discussion with Archie boy. I leave him to blather his silliness....the chronology of the post will always be SterlingArcher's defeat.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
The powers-that-be at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives are tone deaf.

Sharyl Attkisson of CBS News posted this Tweet a couple of hours ago:

ATF Phoenix case agent Hope MacAllister --headed ATF's controversial gunwalking op-- today reportedly recvd national ATF "Lifesaving Award."

someone tell me how being complicit in the deaths of innocent people warrants a 'lifesaving award'?
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Are you including our Armed Forces in your description, STY?
 
Taichiliberal said:
Evidently, Archie boy is either genuingly ignorant or willfully ignorant regarding a time honored American phrase used to describe a situation. I'll dumb it down for him....the "baby" would be the ATF, the "bathwater" would be the morons who screwed up this latest scheme to track guns from the USA to Mexican criminals. In other words, you don't destroy an entire institution because of a screw-up.

The rest of Archie's rant is the usual anti-gov't/gunner clap trap, where they just recreate the wheel regarding what the ATF does, ignore WHY the ATF was invented in the first place. Essentially, Archie rails against one gov't agency and what it does (or what Archie accuses it of doing), but then turns around and says that these functions can be distributed among other gov't agencies.

So if what the ATF does is so illegal and unconstitutional, according to Archie, then what would make it's functions more acceptable done by other agencies?

Archie boy needs to think things through before his fingers hits the keys. :o
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Clearly you fail to understand something so basic as eliminating REDUNDANCY AND WASTE. I specifically said the entire situation in Mexico could be ignored and there would still be plenty of cause to entirely dismantle the ATF, and yet all you've done is parrot the same line about babies and bath water, chose to ignore, whether through intent or ignorance (most likely both) that they serve no legitimate function and are simply waste, deserving to be culled and having their limited necessary duties (FFL management) moved to a branch that already preforms most of the damned duties anyways.
 
Sterling Archer said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Evidently, Archie boy is either genuingly ignorant or willfully ignorant regarding a time honored American phrase used to describe a situation. I'll dumb it down for him....the "baby" would be the ATF, the "bathwater" would be the morons who screwed up this latest scheme to track guns from the USA to Mexican criminals. In other words, you don't destroy an entire institution because of a screw-up.

The rest of Archie's rant is the usual anti-gov't/gunner clap trap, where they just recreate the wheel regarding what the ATF does, ignore WHY the ATF was invented in the first place. Essentially, Archie rails against one gov't agency and what it does (or what Archie accuses it of doing), but then turns around and says that these functions can be distributed among other gov't agencies.

So if what the ATF does is so illegal and unconstitutional, according to Archie, then what would make it's functions more acceptable done by other agencies?

Archie boy needs to think things through before his fingers hits the keys
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Clearly you fail to understand something so basic as eliminating REDUNDANCY AND WASTE. I specifically said the entire situation in Mexico could be ignored and there would still be plenty of cause to entirely dismantle the ATF, and yet all you've done is parrot the same line about babies and bath water, chose to ignore, whether through intent or ignorance (most likely both) that they serve no legitimate function and are simply waste, deserving to be culled and having their limited necessary duties (FFL management) moved to a branch that already preforms most of the damned duties anyways.
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You keep making a LOT of claims but offer NOTHING but your opinion, supposition and conjecture in place of FACT to support your claims, Archie. Repeating yourself ad nauseum won't magically make your claims come true, Archie boy. I've provided facts, but you just can't honestly address them. Also, as I pointed out previously, YOU made a generalized accusation against the ATF as unconstitutional and illegal, and then say it's actions can be distributed among other agencies. So BY YOUR LOGIC ARCHIE, the illegal and unconstitutional actions of the ATF suddenly become acceptable if just divided among other Federal Agencies!

Archie, your inability to recognize the contradictory nature of your blatherings is astounding. But do repeat your bilge in various forms, Archie...or better yet throw in a lie or two about what I write...or mimick what I write like a grade schooler..it's about all you've got. Carry on.
 
FOR ALL WHO MAY SEE THIS, KNOW THAT ON THIS DAY, JUNE THE 25TH, 2011, A POSTER BY THE NAME OF TAICHILIBERAL HAS BEEN UNABLE TO LOGICALLY OR ETHICALLY REFUTE HOW THERE ARE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN ONE FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT (VOTING) AND ANOTHER FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT (BEARING AND OWNING ARMS).

THEREFORE, HE IS TO BE DEEMED A HYPOCRIT AND AN ENEMY OF FREEDOM, AS WELL AS RACIST APOLOGIST AND IGNORANT FOR THE LOGICAL FALLACIES HE CONTINUALLY EXHIBITS.
 
Sterling Archer said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
I cannot explain the logical inconsistancies in my argument, but refuse to conceed anyways, because fuck you.
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That's essentially what you said, but without so many keystrokes. Try a little honesty in your argument, it might garner you a shred of respect.
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And as you can see by the true chronology of the posts folks, Archie is essentially a child who cannot carry on a rational, honest, fact based discussion. No point in me responding to this buffoon any further.
 
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