The Constitution means exactly what it says

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That's a retarded view of God, Dumbass.



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Is it your contention that the American citizen's right to bear arms is an uncodified pronouncement by the omnipotent God of the Catholic church rather than the second amendment?


Yes, or no?
 
what happened to zappa? did he realized he was wrong and decided not to come back?....would have been interesting to see his answer to my question and others and to his view of heller....
 
So where does the right to bear arms come from?


BTW, you don't need to sign your messages, I know it's you.
From being FREE human beings you stupid shit. We are free, therefore we have the RIGHTS of free persons: to speak and write freely in criticism of our government, worship as we see fit, tell law enforcement to get the hell off our property if they do not have properly attained authority to enter it, tell law enforcement to stuff it if they ask us questions we do not feel like answering, close our doors in the face of military personnel demanding housing, have our peers determine our innocence or guilt if accused of a crime, etc. etc. etc. These rights are ours because we are a FREE people.

We have rights, NOT because your beloved government begrudged them to us, but because we recognize that these rights are inalienable - no man, nor government of men, have the authority to take them from us. The BOR was codified to recognize these basic facts: that government cannot take away these rights. Note the wording. It does not say that GOVERNMENT grants these rights to us. It DOES say that government can NEVER take them from us. There is a HUGE difference.

And we also have the right to keep and bear arms, derived from the same condition of being a free people. A right which is NECESSARY in the light of fascist assholes like you and your pet liberal government lackeys who want to take away our rights to force us into subservience to government.
 
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Whether you believe you were created by Yahweh, Allah, or through the natural process of evolution your rights still do not come from government.
 
Whether you believe you were created by Yahweh, Allah, or through the natural process of evolution your rights still do not come from government.



Where is God is mentioned in the US Constitution?
 
Where is God is mentioned in the US Constitution?

What has that to do with the current conversation? Can you tell me where God exists in "or if you believe you were created through the natural process of evolution"? The rights listed delineate areas the government cannot go, it is a shopping list of "do not" directly to the government so that the rights you already have are not infringed by the same, it is not a list of "And the Government Grants you these rights"...
 
What has that to do with the current conversation? Can you tell me where God exists in "or if you believe you were created through the natural process of evolution"? The rights listed delineate areas the government cannot go, it is a shopping list of "do not" directly to the government so that the rights you already have are not infringed by the same, it is not a list of "And the Government Grants you these rights"...



Yet some in this thread claimed that the right to keep and bear arms does not derive from the second amendment, but from "God".


If you don't share that belief, don't worry about it.
 
Yet some in this thread claimed that the right to keep and bear arms does not derive from the second amendment, but from "God".


If you don't share that belief, don't worry about it.

You shouldn't quote me while asking a question if you don't want me to answer. Tell me, Rootbeer, do you believe that all rights you have come from the Government?
 
You shouldn't quote me while asking a question if you don't want me to answer. Tell me, Rootbeer, do you believe that all rights you have come from the Government?

Where'd you get the idea I don't want you to answer?
 
Whether you believe you were created by Yahweh, Allah, or through the natural process of evolution your rights still do not come from government.

I'm late to this party, but I say that rights are self-evident and come from the "consent of the governed".

I'm alive so I must have a right to it unless I give it up. I have a right to sustain it, which would be the freedom from restriction to do so, and I have a right to my property to use as needed to stay alive.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed".
 
I'm late to this party, but I say that rights are self-evident and come from the "consent of the governed". I'm alive so I must have a right to it unless I give it up. I have a right to sustain it, which would be the freedom from restriction to do so, and I have a right to my property to use as needed to stay alive. "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed".



Is the Declaration of Independence the supreme law of the USA, or is the Constitution?
 
I'm late to this party, but I say that rights are self-evident and come from the "consent of the governed".

I'm alive so I must have a right to it unless I give it up. I have a right to sustain it, which would be the freedom from restriction to do so, and I have a right to my property to use as needed to stay alive.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed".
Getting closer, though it is the powers of government that are derived through the consent of the governed, not our rights. Our rights are inherent to us as human beings. We create governments to SECURE (not grant, allow, define or otherwise derived through government) our rights, so that no person or group of persons, nor foreign government, nor domestic government, can interfere with our rights.

And the need for enumerating the right to keep and bear arms was derived from that same section, in which it is stated:
"... whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish such government ..." and under the later clause: "But when a long chain of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their Right, it is their duty, to throw off such government...."

The above, coupled with the knowledge that no government is ever going to voluntarily relinquish the unjust powers it has usurped over the people, and that the act of throwing off a despotic government will, almost invariably, come only through force of arms, is the basis for specifying the right to keep and bear arms in our Bill of Rights, so that we will always retain the ultimate means - use of force - to secure our rights.
 
Getting closer, though it is the powers of government that are derived through the consent of the governed, not our rights. Our rights are inherent to us as human beings. We create governments to SECURE (not grant, allow, define or otherwise derived through government) our rights, so that no person or group of persons, nor foreign government, nor domestic government, can interfere with our rights. And the need for enumerating the right to keep and bear arms was derived from that same section, in which it is stated: "... whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish such government ..." and under the later clause: "But when a long chain of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their Right, it is their duty, to throw off such government...." The above, coupled with the knowledge that no government is ever going to voluntarily relinquish the unjust powers it has usurped over the people, and that the act of throwing off a despotic government will, almost invariably, come only through force of arms, is the basis for specifying the right to keep and bear arms in our Bill of Rights, so that we will always retain the ultimate means - use of force - to secure our rights.



So you think the Declaration of Independence is the supreme law of the USA, rather than the Constitution?
 
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