The Constitution means exactly what it says

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Yurt said:
fair enough. i think it is splitting hairs a bit fine though. no one called them soldiers or professionals.
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No, but I don't think any idiot with a rifle, hiding and shooting people at relatively close range, is a sniper.
 
Yurt said:
ok....if it really means that much to you. it is just a word to describe a certain action. they fit the defintion to a tee.
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It is a common debate tactic to use one's own definition of words, and it fails ever time its tried.
 
I never said they didn't fit the definition. I never denied it was technically an accurate, if loose, description of their actions.

I simply said it galled me that they were given a title they did not earn and that I, as a shooter, do not see them as snipers. I used another, more accurate word, for them.
 
Damn Yankee said:
How is that hair splitting, especially based on the context of my post?

Geez- just admit you fucked up and move on.
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Because you and I both know that the only two parties that count are the Dems and repubs, and throwing in libertarians is just your way of trying to defend your previous dumb statement about getting all liberals out of office.
 
christiefan915 said:
Because you and I both know that the only two parties that count are the Dems and repubs, and throwing in libertarians is just your way of trying to defend your previous dumb statement about getting all liberals out of office.
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They are the ones that count now. I was talking about what could be. Based on how you responded you had to understand that.

Just admit you fucked up and be done with it.
 
christiefan915 said:
I read all the posts. Those words have been debated for decades and continue to be debated. There would be no reason for this if the facts were as crystal-clear as you like to think.

Now run along and dig up one of your inane analogies about swimming pools or cars, dumbass.

Furthermore, if the question was clear from the beginning , Heller and other suits wouldn't exist.
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It was pretty clear up until the 60's.
 
Yurt said:
fair enough. i think it is splitting hairs a bit fine though. no one called them soldiers or professionals.
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for dune to groan to this post....shows he is a pussy that gets his thrills off groaning others on the internet...

life...get one
 
Sterling Archer said:
It was pretty clear up until the 60's.
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i don't know if it was clear...rather than unchallenged. granted...splitting hairs, however, i don't think the issue was clear just because it had not been dealt with in the high court. i think prior to the sixties there were probably those that had similiar anti gun nut views today. they just didn't live in their mom's basement and have access to the internet.
 
Yurt said:
so in your world....no knives, no guns, nothing for citizens....only the police can have that....is that right? i don't understand your statement.
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More mind-reading, Kreskin?

I don't have a problem with some gun regulations. Make it "all weapons" regulations so as not to offend your delicate sensibilities. I want common sense measures to protect the populace, maintain order and try to prevent crime. This country has a culture of violence, gun and otherwise. Maybe you want to take a crack at explaining why the country is enamored of guns. It's certainly not just a question of protection.
 
Sterling Archer said:
It was pretty clear up until the 60's.
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to be factually correct, it was 1905 when the kansas supreme court decided it didn't like individuals having the right to bear arms anymore and opined that the 2nd Amendment was the only amendment that meant a collective right, meaning that individuals didn't have that right unless they were all part of a large group.
 
christiefan915 said:
More mind-reading, Kreskin?

I don't have a problem with some gun regulations. Make it "all weapons" regulations so as not to offend your delicate sensibilities. I want common sense measures to protect the populace, maintain order and try to prevent crime. This country has a culture of violence, gun and otherwise. Maybe you want to take a crack at explaining why the country is enamored of guns. It's certainly not just a question of protection.
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i need you to explain how one thinks 'common sense' measures improve the peoples ability to maintain the security of a free state. can you do that?
 
Yurt said:
huh? you're spazzing again. did i say it was clear before heller? no. but you, as usual, insert strawmen into your arguments.

heller is clear. why don't you and zappa step up and explain how the court got it wrong. so far, all you've done is trash talk. i'm curious as to why - exactly - you think the court got it wrong.

don't get defensive. i'm interested to know why you think the court got it wrong.
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Heller was a 5-4 decision. I agree with Stevens, Souter, Ginsberg and Breyer. Read their dissents for my reasons why the other five got it wrong.
 
christiefan915 said:
Heller was a 5-4 decision. I agree with Stevens, Souter, Ginsberg and Breyer. Read their dissents for my reasons why the other five got it wrong.
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nice back peddle on the strawman....didn't think you would own up to it.

fair enough on your answer. there are times i don't agree with the majority either. i was wondering though, if you and zappa could actually formulate your own reasoning on why you think the majority is wrong. if you want to hang your hat on what someone else says....just say so. i just want to know where you personally stand.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
and why is that? do you equate freedom with being at the mercy of violent thugs?
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I don't believe most lives are at the mercy of violent thugs. I haven't run the numbers but the US population is 311,500,000+. How many are violent criminals, percentage-wise?

I'm more worried about other freedoms.
 
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