Many fewer U.S. gun owners

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Topspin said:
gun ownership has plummetted, but the remaining owners are very radical fundamentalist.
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I hear ya Topper. Some of these gun nuts come off as if the second amendment requires you to own and carry a gun. I don't own a gun cause I just personally don't want one. I don't need it, at this time, for personal protection and I'm not really into hunting anymore. Having said that, it's still a right that I can choose to exercise if I want to but the main reason gun ownership has plummeted is that most people don't feel they need or want one and not because of anti-gun legislation/laws.
 
WinterBorn said:
I have seen this argument. But I have never heard of anyone having the NICS background check done unless they are buying a firearm. And unless the check comes back "Denied", the person would buy a gun.
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So because you never heard of it, it isn't true?

LOL.


It’s required for any transaction involving the transfer of any firearm by a Federal firearms licensee. It does not, according to the FBI and ATF, mean a sale is made. I guess you didn't understand that part.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Look, I'm a huge defender of the 2nd ammendment. The question centering in private ownership and maintaining a well ordered militia is simple to me. The second ammendment meant both.

Having said that I could give two hoots and a holler for the NRA. They are not, I repeat NOT, a 2nd ammendment advocacy group. They are defacto shills for the right wing of the Republican party and rural angry frustrated white guys who have a serious disconnect about urban realities of life and use the second ammendment as a convienant excuse to ignore a problem that doesn't affect them.
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except for the fact that I think the NRA should call themselves 'Negotiate Rights Away', I vehemently disagree with the issue of urban violence being a problem of too many guns. Inner Urban life is a mess of gangs, violence, and the plain drug culture inherent within it. If it was truly about guns and guns only, i'd be all for walling off chicago completely, have 4 gates, and treat it like an Indian reservation. Have the Illinois state guard arm up, chicago PD SWAT up, then sweep every inch of it and get the guns. then chicago can be truly gun free, see if that works.
 
¯¯¯̿̿¯̿̿’̿̿̿̿̿̿̿’̿̿’̿̿;812431 said:
So because you never heard of it, it isn't true?

LOL.


It’s required for any transaction involving the transfer of any firearm by a Federal firearms licensee. It does not, according to the FBI and ATF, mean a sale is made. I guess you didn't understand that part.
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Can you give me a reason why someone would be approved by an NICS background check and NOT buy a gun?
 
¯¯¯̿̿¯̿̿’̿̿̿̿̿̿̿’̿̿’̿̿;812435 said:
Do I need to? Use your imagination.
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I have bought numerous guns, and passed the NICS background checks. I cannot think of any reason why an NICS check would be run besides for the purchase of a gun.

If you are going to just imagine reasons, its not much of an argument.
 
Didn't Jesus say "shoot ye first, and ask ye questions later"...or is it "better it is to be tried by 12 than to be carried by 6, my brethren"?


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http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/gun-control-2011.pdf
 
WinterBorn said:
I have bought numerous guns, and passed the NICS background checks. I cannot think of any reason why an NICS check would be run besides for the purchase of a gun.

If you are going to just imagine reasons, its not much of an argument.
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So because you can't think of a reason for something, it doesn't happen?

I'll say this for you. You're consistent.
 
¯¯¯̿̿¯̿̿’̿̿̿̿̿̿̿’̿̿’̿̿;812439 said:
So because you can't think of a reason for something, it doesn't happen?

I'll say this for you. You're consistent.
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And you know of a reason, but you are just not saying? I guess we are both consistent.
 
¯¯¯̿̿¯̿̿’̿̿̿̿̿̿̿’̿̿’̿̿;812465 said:
I didn't advance the conjecture, did I?

Have you ever heard of the "burden of proof"?
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From:

"The National Instant Criminal Background Check System, or NICS, is all about saving lives and protecting people from harm—by not letting guns and explosives fall into the wrong hands. It also ensures the timely transfer of firearms to eligible gun buyers.

Mandated by the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act of 1993 and launched by the FBI on November 30, 1998, NICS is used by Federal Firearms Licensees (FFLs) to instantly determine whether a prospective buyer is eligible to buy firearms or explosives. Before ringing up the sale, cashiers call in a check to the FBI or to other designated agencies to ensure that each customer does not have a criminal record or isn't otherwise ineligible to make a purchase."


So the purpose of the NICS is to run checks for firearms sales. Unless you have some evidence to support the fact that FFL dealers are running background checks on people who are not trtying to buy a gun, the proof is in the existence of the NICS itself. And since you can buy multiple guns on one background check, the idea that there might be an occasional no-purchase use is outweighed by the ones making multiple gun purchases.
 
WinterBorn said:
So the purpose of the NICS is to run checks for firearms sales. Unless you have some evidence to support the fact that FFL dealers are running background checks on people who are not trtying to buy a gun, the proof is in the existence of the NICS itself. And since you can buy multiple guns on one background check, the idea that there might be an occasional no-purchase use is outweighed by the ones making multiple gun purchases.
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Your logic is unsound.

NCIS checks are run when people want to buy guns.

That's the only verifiable fact in your fargle-bargle.

"statistics represent the number of firearm background checks initiated through the NICS. They do not represent the number of firearms sold. Based on varying state laws and purchase scenarios, a one-to-one correlation cannot be made between a firearm background check and a firearm sale."

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nic...oundChecks.pdf
 
¯¯¯̿̿¯̿̿’̿̿̿̿̿̿̿’̿̿’̿̿;812491 said:
Your logic is unsound.

NCIS checks are run when people want to buy guns.

That's the only verifiable fact in your fargle-bargle.

"statistics represent the number of firearm background checks initiated through the NICS. They do not represent the number of firearms sold. Based on varying state laws and purchase scenarios, a one-to-one correlation cannot be made between a firearm background check and a firearm sale."

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nic...oundChecks.pdf
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All that quote shows is that there is no one-to-one correlation. So there could be more firearms sold than background checks run. But the FFL dealer does not run background checks until they are ready to complete the sale.
 
WinterBorn said:
All that quote shows is that there is no one-to-one correlation. So there could be more firearms sold than background checks run. But the FFL dealer does not run background checks until they are ready to complete the sale.
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They do not represent the number of firearms sold...
 
SmarterThanYou said:
except for the fact that I think the NRA should call themselves 'Negotiate Rights Away', I vehemently disagree with the issue of urban violence being a problem of too many guns. Inner Urban life is a mess of gangs, violence, and the plain drug culture inherent within it. If it was truly about guns and guns only, i'd be all for walling off chicago completely, have 4 gates, and treat it like an Indian reservation. Have the Illinois state guard arm up, chicago PD SWAT up, then sweep every inch of it and get the guns. then chicago can be truly gun free, see if that works.
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Dude, where do you live?
 
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