Many fewer U.S. gun owners

[Guns Guns Guns]

I saw the NCOR and thought it looked like the same source. I am at work and don't have time to carefully research the sources. But then, when you get cornered you can always use the "just because I post an article doesn't mean I agree with it" defense.

So you're stealing time from your employer?

 

[WinterBorn]

So you're stealing time from your employer?

No, I am completing all tasks and responsibilities for my job. Its just that there are certain days it takes all of my attention, and certain days it does not.

 

[WinterBorn]

I didn't survey anyone. NORC/UOC did. Are you going to present a factual disputation of the study, or not?

I did that from two noted institutions, the BATF and the National Academy of Sciences.

 

[WinterBorn]

What's that based on?



Where did I say I'm "anti-gun"? Link up.




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Studies have shown that participation in sport shooting is declining, which is mirrored by a decline in hunting participation. Both declines are a growing concern for state fish and wildlife agencies, non-profit organizations and conservationists because a large percentage of conservation projects are funded through the taxes on firearm sales and ammunition.

http://www.conservationcafe.com/Hunting/article_detail.asp?iArticleID=6530

I think the term "shooting sports" involves more than hunting.

 

[Damocles]

I think the term "shooting sports" involves more than hunting.

Of course it does.

 

[WinterBorn]

Of course it does.

As a matter of fact, there are a couple of shooting sports that have come into being since the study quoted, began.

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

I did that from two noted institutions, the BATF and the National Academy of Sciences.

One was a dead link that purported to show estimates from 1999.

Is that what happens when you blindly copy and paste 'talking points' from a pro-gun blog?

Explain how the "noted institutions" refute the NORC/UOC data. Link to the statistics you are citing. Don't forget sample sizes, methodology, etc.

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

As a matter of fact, there are a couple of shooting sports that have come into being since the study quoted, began.

So you should have no trouble showing an increase in youth participation in those shooting sports, right?

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

Of course it does.

So, cite some evidence that shooting sports are on the increase among young Americans.

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

No, I am completing all tasks and responsibilities for my job. Its just that there are certain days it takes all of my attention, and certain days it does not.

Mind if I verify that with someone in your HR department? It's just that many employers have policies that seem to preclude spending large blocs of time on politics blogs, like this one:

"The communications systems in place at XXX are primarily for business use. We may use these systems only occasionally for personal e-mail or Internet access, but we do not allow this use to be disruptive to the needs of the business. We do not use these systems to access or distribute obscene or offensive media."

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

Not where I live. I think it would normally depend on where you live. City folk do not tend to place heavy emphasis on skills you need large tracts of land in order to participate in... Teaching your kid how to handle a bow or rifle is probably a bit lower on the totem poll than it is for a place that might have a higher percentage of predation on pets and stock.

Hmmmm.

According to the Sporting Goods Manufacturers Association (SGMA), participation in sporting clays was the only shooting sport to not exhibit an overall decline in the number of participants over time. Rifle target shooting exhibited no change in the rate of participation over time. All other shooting sports had declines in participation ranging from 6% to 34% declines...​

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http://www.responsivemanagement.com/download/reports/ShootingSportsSynopsis.pdf​

 

[WinterBorn]

Mind if I verify that with someone in your HR department? It's just that many employers have policies that seem to preclude spending large blocs of time on politics blogs, like this one:

"The communications systems in place at XXX are primarily for business use. We may use these systems only occasionally for personal e-mail or Internet access, but we do not allow this use to be disruptive to the needs of the business. We do not use these systems to access or distribute obscene or offensive media."

So you want me to put you, a troll, in touch with my HR dept? Yeah, hold your breathe while I arrange that.

The company requires me to fulfill certain duties company wide, and other duties on specific jobs. As long as those duties are taken care of, they do not mind me surfing the net to my heart's content. Now, if you worked in some cubical farm full of accountants and drone, you might have a problem. I don't, and I won't.

 

[Damocles]

Hmmmm.

According to the Sporting Goods Manufacturers Association (SGMA), participation in sporting clays was the only shooting sport to not exhibit an overall decline in the number of participants over time. Rifle target shooting exhibited no change in the rate of participation over time. All other shooting sports had declines in participation ranging from 6% to 34% declines...​

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http://www.responsivemanagement.com/download/reports/ShootingSportsSynopsis.pdf​

I made no claim that shooting sports were increasing per capita, only that they were not decreasing in rural areas. Since population growth seems to be in the cities, it seems that I provided a reason for the decline while explaining that in my area shooting sports are not declining. I hardly know anybody in my area that hasn't taught their kids (above age 8) to shoot.

I believe that this is because most people in the city do not have the need of the sports as much as those in the rural areas. I wasn't arguing against your claims nor saying that the sport isn't declining.

I've recently read a book that team sports as a whole are declining, entitled "Bowling Alone", it was an interesting read and I recommend it to interested people. However, you seem to have received an incorrect impression from my post and taken it as a claim that the shooting sports have higher participation than ever. I wasn't saying that, I was explaining why I think such a decline may be happening.

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

So you want me to put you, a troll, in touch with my HR dept? Yeah, hold your breathe while I arrange that. The company requires me to fulfill certain duties company wide, and other duties on specific jobs. As long as those duties are taken care of, they do not mind me surfing the net to my heart's content. Now, if you worked in some cubical farm full of accountants and drone, you might have a problem. I don't, and I won't.

I believe you.

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

I made no claim that shooting sports were increasing per capita, only that they were not decreasing in rural areas. Since population growth seems to be in the cities, it seems that I provided a reason for the decline while explaining that in my area shooting sports are not declining. I hardly know anybody in my area that hasn't taught their kids (above age 8) to shoot.

I believe that this is because most people in the city do not have the need of the sports as much as those in the rural areas. I wasn't arguing against your claims nor saying that the sport isn't declining.

I've recently read a book that team sports as a whole are declining, entitled "Bowling Alone", it was an interesting read and I recommend it to interested people. However, you seem to have received an incorrect impression from my post and taken it as a claim that the shooting sports have higher participation than ever. I wasn't saying that, I was explaining why I think such a decline may be happening.

Anecdotal evidence is way more credible than a study conducted by a prestigious university, right?

 

[WinterBorn]

Hmmmm.

According to the Sporting Goods Manufacturers Association (SGMA), participation in sporting clays was the only shooting sport to not exhibit an overall decline in the number of participants over time. Rifle target shooting exhibited no change in the rate of participation over time. All other shooting sports had declines in participation ranging from 6% to 34% declines...​

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http://www.responsivemanagement.com/download/reports/ShootingSportsSynopsis.pdf​

Since the survey you used as evidence started in 1972, any sport that was started after that would be an increase during that time.

I know that the SASS has grown during the time in question. Perhaps there is a slight decline in recent years, but that would economics rather than the sport itself.
It started in 1982, with the first competition, and currently claims 75,000 members competing in sanctioned regional events in 500 clubs across the US. (that is 50 members for every person surveyed by the NORC)

 

[WinterBorn]

I believe you.

This, like your previous accusation that I am stealing from my employer, is irrelevant. In fact, I would call it worse, but I won't.

 

[WinterBorn]

Anecdotal evidence is way more credible than a study conducted by a prestigious university, right?

The poll asked 1500 people for their opinions. Unless you have some evidence that they are experts in some way, it hold no real meaning.

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

Since the survey you used as evidence started in 1972, any sport that was started after that would be an increase during that time.

I know that the SASS has grown during the time in question. Perhaps there is a slight decline in recent years, but that would economics rather than the sport itself.
It started in 1982, with the first competition, and currently claims 75,000 members competing in sanctioned regional events in 500 clubs across the US. (that is 50 members for every person surveyed by the NORC)

Nice extrapolation.

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

So you're stealing time from your employer?

Mind if I verify that with someone in your HR department? It's just that many employers have policies that seem to preclude spending large blocs of time on politics blogs, like this one:

"The communications systems in place at XXX are primarily for business use. We may use these systems only occasionally for personal e-mail or Internet access, but we do not allow this use to be disruptive to the needs of the business. We do not use these systems to access or distribute obscene or offensive media."

do you have a job?