It's intellectually dishonest to say or imply that waterboarding is merely "pouring water on ones face."
So there.
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It's intellectually dishonest to say or imply that waterboarding is merely "pouring water on ones face."
So there.
No, quite literally, that is what it is. Imagine the results if they shot bullets into them...OH wait, we need not imagine it- that's what you endorse while being revolted at pouring water on them...
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¯¯¯̿̿¯̿̿’̿̿̿̿̿̿̿’̿̿’̿̿;810556 said:
YOU ARE! HERE'S WHAT YOU POSTED SHITHEAD:
¯¯¯̿̿¯̿̿’̿̿̿̿̿̿̿’̿̿’̿̿;810496 said:
The part in red is what I redacted, to which you then claimed you said something else. So YOU are the fucking LIAR here!
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true...dunceler supports bullets and not water
Hilarious! Just the other day, you were conflicted about waterboarding. Now, you're agreeing w/ the moral equivalency of waterboarding & taking OBL out.
Nice...
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where did i agree with what you just said?
oooops, another day....another onceler lie....
Sure, Yurtsie. My goodness - I mean, you just said it, ya know.
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where? this is the second time i've asked....
The post I responded to. Wow - you can't read OR write...
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third time
i never said what you claimed i said....if i did...you would be copying it and pasting it over and over....you lied and now the massive spin will begin. all you have to do is show my words. you won't, because you can't. per your usual.
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President-elect Barack Obama is preparing to issue an executive order his first week in office — and perhaps his first day — to close the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, according to two presidential transition team advisers.
January 12, 2009
President-elect Barack Obama plans to order the closing of the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay as early as his first week in office to show a break from the Bush administration's approach to the war on terror, according to two officials close to the transition.
June 24, 2007
Barack Obama told a Texas crowd on Sunday that he wants the Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, detainee facility closed _ a step the Bush administration is considering.
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President-elect Barack Obama is preparing to issue an executive order his first week in office — and perhaps his first day — to close the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, according to two presidential transition team advisers.
January 12, 2009
President-elect Barack Obama plans to order the closing of the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay as early as his first week in office to show a break from the Bush administration's approach to the war on terror, according to two officials close to the transition.
June 24, 2007
Barack Obama told a Texas crowd on Sunday that he wants the Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, detainee facility closed _ a step the Bush administration is considering.
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From everything I've heard, we should be questioning Usama right now without our knowledge about it.
Obamas such a f___ up.
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Is there not a moral equivalency to be made here? Which is more "moral" in your opinion... waterboarding a terrorist for information that DID save American lives... or assassination of an unarmed man in his home, in a foreign county, without their permission to be there, without UN approval, conducted by the CIA in charge of military special forces in a covert operation? Which is "moral" and which is not? Are they BOTH moral? Are they BOTH immoral? I think there is a moral equivalency argument here, and you are running from it.
You somehow don't want to acknowledge that enhanced interrogation worked, saved lives, gave us OBL.... but it's okay that once that worked for us, we went in and executed him. It's funny.... water on the head would have been "torture" but blowing his brains out without so much as a trial.... meh, no big deal, right? I guess killing him was preferable morally than bringing him to that god-forsaken Gitmo, huh?
He and his liberal pals have been running from it and looking like jackasses doing so. The enhanced interrogation of KSM is the other side of the same coin that went into Pakistan and took out bin Laden. Like, I said, pouring water onto their face "bad" putting bullets in their face "good" in onzie's world.
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pouring water in the face so as to induce the sensation of drowning
Quite simply, no, there isn't.
I'm actually a little embarassed for you. I thought you & ID were kind of being intentionally hyperbolic by trying to create some kind of equivalency initially, but now that I see you're really serious, it's actually hard to comprehend.
There is no equivalency whatsoever. Are you really suggesting that the way we took out OBL was an immoral act? Are you also suggesting that America should be a country that tortures, because what the hell, we already kill people during combat operations, so we can't go any lower morally anyway?
That interesting Onecell....as an exercise in logic, critical thinking, and morality.......suppose
One man holds the lives of 100 or 1000 or 100,000 or 1,000,000 people in his hands....does our moral code prevent us from doing EVERYTHING possible to save them....??? Or what if its only 1 life ?
Is there really a line we must not cross at all costs...????
We all know, as a general rule, "The end does not justify the means" or should the rule be , "The end SOMETIMES justifies the means".....????
Your thoughts.....
One man holds the lives of 100 or 1000 or 100,000 or 1,000,000 people in his hands....does our moral code prevent us from doing EVERYTHING possible to save them....??? Or what if its only 1 life ?
Is there really a line we must not cross at all costs...????
We all know, as a general rule, "The end does not justify the means" or should the rule be , "The end SOMETIMES justifies the means".....????
Your thoughts.....
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And yet in another thread, we see Dumb Yankee posting hilarious "accounts" that claim Obama didn't want to kill OBL, but was "overruled"....
Which is it, Rightards?
Which is it, Rightards?
It's not really equivalency. Would you rather be waterboarded or shot in the face? It's kind of like the question, "Would you rather be in the coffin, or giving the eulogy?" It might be a "Sophie's Choice" moment and realistically kind of foolish, but supporting shooting them all in the face over waterboarding seems a bit crazy. I'd rather be alive, even if I had been waterboarded.
Does this mean waterboarding is morally correct? Not really, but neither is shooting people in the face without an attempt to capture... at least not usually.
I don't think the discussion progresses the question that Leon Panetta talked about when he said that he thinks there will always be discussion about where the line is drawn.